Game: Name that dead animal

[chadk]

I just picked up a box of tying materials. Some neat stuff. Some stuff I'm stumped as to what it is and and what it would be used for. I know a lot of you will find this too easy, but here it goes:

(not sure why my images aren't showing... the code is turned off and i don't know how to turn it on...)

The first one is a freebee just to help you warm up...

1) [img]http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_030_Large_.jpg

2) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_031_Large_.jpg

3) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_020_Large_.jpg
http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_019_Large_.jpg

4) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_018_Large_.jpg

5) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_017_Large_.jpg

6) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_016_Large_.jpg

7) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_013_Large_.jpg

8) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_014_Large_.jpg

9) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_015_Large_.jpg

10) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_010_Large_.jpg

11) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_011_Large_.jpg

12) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_012_Large_.jpg

13) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_007_Large_.jpg

14) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_008_Large_.jpg

15) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_009_Large_.jpg

16) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_006_Large_.jpg

[jami_wa]

1. Rabbit
2.Rabbit (I hope that's not cat)
3.Rabbit?
4. Female Pheasant?
5. Elks hair
6.Gopher? lol
7. Porcupine
8.Mink
9.Ferret? lol
10.Snow Mink lol
11.Dead Cat lol
12.Mummified Chicken lol
13.Grouse?
14.Parrot...lol
15. Rock Hen?
16.Barbie and a chicken mated

[chadk]

:rofl:

Not bad. Your guess is as good as mine on few. I really don't know on many of them. Some I do, but put in the list to see what kind of guess i got.

When I (or Chris) figure out what's up with the images, this game should work better.

I should offer a prize of some kind...

Oh, and some of those are worth extra points because pics have more than one fur or feather type. And bonus pts for telling me what patterns the item is best suited for :thumb:

[jami_wa]

Well it's hard to look at the pictures and reply at the same time (windows open for forum that is). So if anyone else wants to take a shot at it this is how I did it......I opened a text document on my desktop, then looked at each picture and typed my answers on the text document when I was done I hit reply to post then just copy and paste in your answers.

[crobarr]

only 3 stumped me....... fun game...... ;)

[Curtis]

Meow!!!

[troutaholic]

Don't know any but I think the first is Himalayan Yak under arm fur (from Jami's cat I suspect!)

[Desmond Wiles]

1) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_030_Large_.jpg
2 bunny masks (olive & what looks to be a greyish brown): dubbing
2) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_031_Large_.jpg
hard to tell, my guess is calf body hair and a tail in the bag: wing posts on dries
3) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_020_Large_.jpglooks like a sasquatch petting some wool: urban legends, dubbing
http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_019_Large_.jpg wool

4) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_018_Large_.jpg pheasant tail and I believe a brown or furnace hen saddle: unlimited possabilities (ie. tails on wets and nymphs, collars for wets)

5) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_017_Large_.jpgdeer hair: streamers

6) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_016_Large_.jpgcan't tell, looks like a darker shade of deer hair: streamers

7) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_013_Large_.jpgnot sure, I'm guessing moose hair, but I've never seen any with that mottled look to it:tail on a royal wulff

8) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_014_Large_.jpg I've never tied with it, but I'm guessing it's mink:dubbing

9) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_015_Large_.jpg same mink tail with a died mink tail next to it (I haven't a clue what that tiny little white thing in between is): dubbing

10) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_010_Large_.jpg I think that's the mink minus the tail: dubbing

11) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_011_Large_.jpg grey calf body: wing posts

12) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_012_Large_.jpg lady amherst tippet: streamers

13) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_007_Large_.jpg grizzly neck, looks like from a hen: streamers

14) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_008_Large_.jpg green guinee: streamers (I like tying them as a collar for my marrabou steelhead patterns)

15) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_009_Large_.jpg grizzly hen saddle: streamers

16) http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/gallery/data/500/medium/feathers_n_furs_006_Large_.jpg golden pheasant tippet: streamers

[chadk]

Wow Desmond - pretty good for being a fairly new tyer yourself.

Are you sure those grizzly feathers are from hens? How do I tell? I thought the brown and grizzly in that one shot might be for dry flies??

The sasquatch arm was just to help you guys out - adding some perspective for judging the size of those skins...

[Desmond Wiles]

You may be right on the brown at least, it's hard to tell from the picture, but hen feathers tend to have longer & softer hackles. If the hackles are short & stiff enough for the size hook you're tying them onto then they'd be fine for a dry.

[chadk]

2 - I was thinking of bleached elk maybe. The hair is stiff and the fibers straight.

3 - I think the grey and white are the same type. The black seems like a different type of animal. It isn't wool - more like soft bunny fur.

5 - i'm thinking deer hair as well. It's pretty soft.

6 is a tough one. It has an olive tone to it - probably dyed. The skin is very tough and wrapped in a ball. Could be deer body perhaps?

9 - the big tails seem quite different. The hear on the white is much softer and picking it up gives me the creeps - it feels alive. The other dark tail is stiff and the hair is more course. Not sure about that tiny tail either. Thought it may be off of the white mink skin??

7- moose hair would be my guess too. Very stiff and thick hairs.

[crobarr]

4 has a poor quality rooster saddle. make some spruce flies.

7 looks like either javaline (sp), or porcupine.

[chadk]

7 - yeah, I can see some kind of wild pig... Don't think porcupine - no quills, just hair.

[chadk]

4 - yeah, I have a very high quality brown saddle hackle that is 3 times that size already.

[Willie Bodger]

2 - I really don't think that is Elk, though it could be from some part of the Elk other than what I have because Elk just looks like Deer on steroids. Looks more like dog...

[chadk]

2 - Looks more like dog...

:eek:

Who knows... :confused:

Bleached Elk was the closest thing I could think of. The lengh and texture are close. But it doesn't seem to lay the same on that skin. Maybe some type of goat?

[crobarr]

hard to tell from the picture, but i lean towards that being calf body hair, or kid goat.

[chadk]

7 is definately Peccary (aka javalina).

I flipped through the type book that came in the box of stuff and there were pictures that matched several of the furs and feathers perfectly.

[chadk]

Oh, forgot to ask, what kind of patterns would you use Peccary\Javalina??

[chadk]

Desmond - how do you go from the mink tail (for example) to dubbing? What's the process? Just cutt it off, mix it up (underfur + longer hairs (guard hairs??)), and twist it onto the thread as usual??

[Willie Bodger]

I believe a lot of the guys that make their own dubbing use a small coffee grinder, that way you can toss in some flash etc., but how you do it, I think, depends on the application.

[chadk]

Hmmm, I have a coffee grinder than we are not using. Doubt the wife would miss it... ;) Time to experiment I guess.

Looks like Peccary is used for legs (hoppers, stoneflys, etc) and antennae. I guess you can use it for dry flies too.

[Kent Lufkin]

Oh, forgot to ask, what kind of patterns would you use Peccary\Javalina??

Peccary is a type of wild pig. The only pattern I've seen that uses it is called a Once and Away.

The skinny end of a peccary quill is tied in at the bend of a 200R hook and then tightly wound forward in touching wraps around the shank to form a sort of quill body. A thick CDC plume or two is tied in over a dubbed thorax and then pulled forward to form a wingcase with the puffs extending beyond the eye. Here's a link to a recipe: http://www.danica.com/FLYTIER/hklinken/once_and_away.htm

In the water, the CDC holds the fly up with rest of it hanging in the water like an emerger. I used one a few years back at Rocky Ford with good results. It's called Once and Away because once a fish slimes the CDC you've got to cut it off and put it away to dry before it'll float again.

K

[Desmond Wiles]

Desmond - how do you go from the mink tail (for example) to dubbing? What's the process? Just cutt it off, mix it up (underfur + longer hairs (guard hairs??)), and twist it onto the thread as usual??


I've never tied with it, so I'm not sure what type of patterns it would be useful with; but yes, you would cut some off as you would with muscrat or a bunny mask. I believe I've seen a dry fly pattern calling for mink, so in that case you'd want the guard hairs removed.

[chadk]

Cool - the pictures are loading now. Thanks Chris!



Could #6 be squirrel? There's supposed to be some of that in the group. Or maybe the dark tail is squirrel??

[spanishfly]

Chad can I have that white mink so I can sew it on to the hood of my fishing jacket? It would make a nice pimp jacket!

[chadk]

:thumb:

How about the matching white tail to sew onto the back of your WFF beenie??

[chadk]

I moved the pics I've ID'd (with your help on many) to the new "Materials" gallery.

The pics remaining are still in question... Any more thoughts\guesses?