fredaevans
12-29-2006, 07:57 AM
on Waddington Shanks. That generated a question on what 'is a fly' in our part of the world.:confused: Posted back the following/follow up questions. So a simple question of 'I want to tie some flies for a friend to use in the PNW turns into something you need a Lawyer to properly respond.
Gotta love our State Governments; or at least someone who actually has a reasonable command of the English Language.
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Answer to my question on treble hooks starts here.
Fred on the question of trebles on a fly, I guess they are or you would not be asking but I was under the impression that in most/some states in the USA a treble hook (on a fly) was not allowed.
I remember being told this a while back along with things like some States only allow a single fly & others a maximum of two on a tippet at any one time.
Reason I ask is that a colleague of mine may be visiting Oregon/Washington State area & he has asked me to tie a few Steel-head flies for him. Can you confirm current laws.
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Shocked that Fred is going the treble route,Myself have only used doubles for the last couple of years ,even got some big singles for the febuary trip .
If you want a dam good treble for waddys nothing beats the falkus Out barb from Partridge,this is not a hook for catch and return.
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Originally Posted by Highlander
Fred on the question of trebles on a fly, I guess they are or you would not be asking but I was under the impression that in most/some states in the USA a treble hook (on a fly) was not allowed.
I remember being told this a while back along with things like some States only allow a single fly & others a maximum of two on a tippet at any one time.
Reason I ask is that a colleague of mine may be visiting Oregon/Washington State area & he has asked me to tie a few Steel-head flies for him. Can you confirm current laws.
Tight Lines
First, thanks Mike that was exactly what I was looking for.
Highlander, you've opened the PNW's "64 Dollar question box." Take a Barrister Fishing if you're in 'fly only waters.' But before we go there, I'd like you to go get a large glass of Whisky, it will help with the following.
First, a treble hook is actually 'ok' here in the PNW, the question may be more of is it 'fly only' fishing water?' On what river, and what time of the year. And what a confused Oregon State Police Officer may think/been told what the regulations 'mean.'
Two examples of this in Oregon would be the 'fly only' section of the North Umpqua River**; it's 'fly only year 'round. A second example would be the Rogue River above Gold Ray Dam (just north of Medford, Or) which has a 'fly only' season during the fall months.
Washington has similar 'bits' of water that follow the above also. However, the two States 'regulations' as to what is/isn't "an artificial fly" are NOT the same. The following is a direct cut/paste from the Oregon regulations and covers what is "Fly Angling" and what is an "Artificial Fly," unless you're on the North Umpqua, which is different.
Fly Angling: Angling with a fly rod, fly reel, (no spinning or fixed spool reel(s)), floating or sinking fly line, leader, any type of backing line, and an artificial fly. In waters restricted to “Fly Angling Only”, no additional weights or attractors *shall be attached to the hook, leader, or line, and no metal core lines may be used.
Artificial Fly: A fly is a hook, dressed with conventional fly tying materials*. The affixed materials may be natural or synthetic. Tied in conjunction with other materials, the following items may be part of the fly: wire (lead or other metal) used for weighting the fly, dumbbell eyes or beads
(metal, glass or plastic). A fly is not a hook to which sinkers, molded weights, spinners, spoons or similar attractors are attached.
Not to confuse you here Highlander, but the above definition DOES NOT apply on the North Umpqua's 'fly only' water. See below for that change in the Regulations.
Strike indicator: A hookless, unscented floating device attached to the line or leader for the purpose of signaling a strike at the
fly. The point of attachment must be at least 18 inches from the fly. Strike indicators are not considered an “attachment” or an “attractor” and are therefore permitted in fly angling and artificial fly waters, except the
North Umpqua.***
So how big a hook?
Hook and Weight Regulations
1. No more than 2 hooks may be used while angling for Pacific halibut and no more than 3 hooks may be used while angling for other species. A double or treble point hook is classed as one hook.*****2. Measure hooks from point to shank, see sketch at right.
3. When angling for sturgeon, use of multiple-point hooks is prohibited in all waters. In the mainstem Columbia and Snake rivers, barbed hooks are also prohibited.
4. When angling for salmon or steelhead, (except in the ocean or as listed under Special Regulations for specific bodies of water) the following regulations apply:
a. Single-point hooks larger than 1-inch and multiple-point hooks larger than 9/16 inch are prohibited.
b. All weight, if not part of a conventional lure, must be attached above the hooks. When using single-point hooks larger than 5/8-inch or multiple-point hooks, the attachment of the weight must be 18 inches or more above uppermost hook.
5. When angling for salmon or steelhead in the ocean, anglers must refer to Marine Zone Regulations for Salmon and Steelhead, page 96 and the Northwest Zone Special Regulations for Tillamook Bay, page 31.
• Use of bait allowed in mainstem Rogue except:
1. Gold Ray Reservoir (not including the reservoir) upstream to markers located downstream from Cole Rivers Hatchery Diversion Dam restricted to artificial flies (see definition page 11). Any type of rod and reel permitted but no metal core lines and no added weights or attachments except a bubble or similar floating device may be used Sept. 1-Oct. 31.
2. Gold Ray Reservoir (not including the reservoir) upstream to boat ramp at Shady Cove Park, restricted to artificial flies and lures, Nov. 1-Dec. 31.
North Umpqua River from fly • Springs Dam (31 miles) Special gear restrictions and closures
• July 1-Sept. 30 all angling restricted to use of single barbless unweighted artificial fly. For the purposes of this rule, an unweighted artificial fly is defined as: “a conventional hook that is dressed with natural or artificial materials, and to
which no molded weight (such as split shot, jig heads or dumbbell eyes), metal wire, metal beads, bead chain eyes, or plastic body are affixed, and to which no added weight, spinning or attractor device, or natural bait is attached.”
• Jan. 1-June 30 and Oct. 1-Dec. 31 restricted to fly angling only with single barbless hook**** (see fly angling
definition on page 11).• Any type rod or reel permitted, but no metal core lines and no added weights or attachments to line, leader or fly (including, but not limited to, strike indicators) except nonfly monofilament lines may have a casting bubble or similar floating device.
• Closed from Soda Springs Dam downstream about 1/2 mile to marker located downstream from power plant enclosure.
• No angling from a floating device.
Rogue River fly only regulations:
Special gear restrictions and closures
• Use of bait allowed in mainstem Rogue except:
1. Gold Ray Reservoir (not including the reservoir) upstream to markers located downstream from Cole Rivers Hatchery Diversion Dam restricted to artificial flies (see definition page 11). Any type of rod and reel permitted but no metal core lines and no added weights or attachments except a bubble or similar floating device may be used Sept. 1-Oct. 31.
2. Gold Ray Reservoir (not including the reservoir) upstream to boat ramp at Shady Cove Park, restricted to artificial flies and lures, Nov. 1-Dec. 31.
* There is no definition given as to what 'an attractor' may be. Nor what are "conventional fly tying materials."
** The following is just ONE of the sections (there are a total of NINETY THREE PAGES!!) of the Umpqua River.
*** So you can use a 'strike indicator' anywhere in the State, save for the North Umpqua. Any one totally confused yet? The following is a 'cut and paste' for two rivers 'fly only' regulations. Notice the differences between the two. Effectively a 'fly' on one river will get you 'jail time' on the other (we'll come to that at the end )
**** " ... restricted to use of single barbless unweighted artificial fly. For the purposes of this rule, an unweighted artificial fly is defined as: “a conventional hook that is dressed with natural or artificial materials, .." So is a "single babless unweighted artificial fly" have a single, double or treble hook? Who knows the regulations don't make a distinction.
***** Now if you had a double/treble hook in the NU's fly only water you (in all probability) would get a citation for an 'illegal hook.' Don't you just love this Shite?
So you didn't understand any of the above? Tough.
BAIL SCHEDULES
Most violations of the wildlife and commercial fishing laws and regulations are Class A Misdemeanors, punishable by a maximum $5,000 fine and a maximum sentence of confinement to the county jail of one (1) year. There is no scheduled bail and mandatory court appearance is required if charged as a Class A Misdemeanor. Violations of the wildlife and commercial fishing laws and regulations charged as violations rather than Class A Misdemeanors due to the absence of culpable mental state, or at the direction of the district attorney, have the following
bail schedules:
$75 Violations that do not involve “taking” of wildlife, except for violations of the nonresident
licensing provisions of ORS 497.102 and 497.121 and provisions of ORS 496.994.
$150 Violations for the “taking” of nongame mammals or game birds, and size or quantity limit for
fish and shellfish, except salmon, steelhead and sturgeon. $299 Violations for the “taking” of salmon, steelhead, sturgeon, wildlife not otherwise provided and all other wildlife offenses.
6. Barbless hooks are strongly advised unless specifically required ..
Oh ya, did I mention Washington, Idaho and Montana's regulations are different? Well, to 'simplify' a lot of the above: In the 'fly only water' on the North Umpqua a fly with ANY kind of weighted material in the construction would be 'illegal.' This would include a wire rib, bead head; you could also build a good case that a "tube fly" or a fly done on a Waddington Shank would be 'illegal' as the fly is not tied ON the hook. In the rest of the State, including the 'fly only' period on the Rogue, you can use a "feather brick" on the end of your leader ... you just can't have any additional 'weight' above the fly (split shot as an example).
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Shocked that Fred is going the treble route,Myself have only used doubles for the last couple of years ,even got some big singles for the febuary trip .
If you want a dam good treble for waddys nothing beats the falkus Out barb from Partridge,this is not a hook for catch and return.
Not to be too shocked my friend. 99% of the time I'm using a #4 short shank, 2X ring eye hook; same as I'd use on a tube fly (hook attached the same way with a bit of plastic tube). Tried 'doubles' but if used directly on the rear 'ring' on a Waddy they lay off at an odd angle (to the side). Concerned how this would empact the flies action in the (under) water and 'hooking rate.'
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Fred, WOW! I am surprised that they don't make you take a degree in law before giving you a permit, or do you need a pilot's licence to fly fish?!
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Fred, WOW! I am surprised that they don't make you take a degree in law before giving you a permit, or do you need a pilot's licence to fly fish?!
The following is a c/p from Washington States FISHING regulations (all 123 pages thereof!):
"FLY FISHING ONLY
In “Fly Fishing Only” waters, an angler may
use only the following tackle: up to 2 fl ies,
each with a barbless single point hook, not
to exceed ½” from point to shank and a
conventional fl y line (other line may be used
for backing or leader if attached to at least
25 feet of fl y line). Anglers may not use fi xed
spool reels, bait, or weight attached to the
leader or line.
An angler with a disability may fi sh in “Fly
Fishing Only” waters with spin casting gear,
with a casting bubble, provided that the
angler has a special use disability permit in
his or her possession. All other restrictions
listed above still apply."
Soooo, your fly line must be at least 25' long, you have to use a specific kind of reel, and the spin casting gear, that IS LEGAL for anyone's use in Oregon, requires you have "a special use disability permit." But at least they tell you a 'fly' just has a single point.... but only one half the point gap 'legal' in Oregon.
And lets not forget that IF you want to have 'backing' behind your fly line ... Ah hell, forget it.
Are we having fun yet?????
Edit: here's a 'Washington regulation gem' I just noticed.
"SELECTIVE GEAR RULES
Only unscented artificial flies or lures ('scent' legal in Oregon, save for the North Umpqua) with one single point barbless hook are allowed. (Oregon could be a double/treble, if I read the reg's correctly.)
Up to a total of three artificial flies or lures (Maximum of two in Oregon) containing single point barbless hooks may be used. Bait is prohibited; fi sh may be released until the daily limit is retained. Only knotless nets may be used to land fi sh (no such regulation in Oregon).
No one may fi sh from any fl oating device equipped with an internal combustion motor,
except where specifi cally allowed under Special Rules for individual waters. (Electric
motors are now permitted under selective gear rules). If any fi sh has swallowed the
hook or is hooked in the gill, eye, or tongue, it should be kept if legal to do so (In Oregon any 'illegally hooked' fish must be returned).
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The States can, and do, change the regulations over the course of a year. For 'up-dates' you're required to go 'on line' to the States web site to stay current. Don't ... go back and review the citation information above.
As an example, Washington State "published" pages and pages of 'special regulations' during 2006. Only place they appear 'in print' is on the web site.
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Right..... By the time I work that one out his holiday will be over.
Would it not be simpler to have National Legislation rather than that mismatch of State laws. Strange country indeed.
Thanks for info though, will digest it later.A Philly lawer would have been handy.
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:beathead: As this is a thread on one of the larger fly fishing boards in the UK, suspect I just killed tourism as we know it.
Gotta love our State Governments; or at least someone who actually has a reasonable command of the English Language.
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Answer to my question on treble hooks starts here.
Fred on the question of trebles on a fly, I guess they are or you would not be asking but I was under the impression that in most/some states in the USA a treble hook (on a fly) was not allowed.
I remember being told this a while back along with things like some States only allow a single fly & others a maximum of two on a tippet at any one time.
Reason I ask is that a colleague of mine may be visiting Oregon/Washington State area & he has asked me to tie a few Steel-head flies for him. Can you confirm current laws.
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Shocked that Fred is going the treble route,Myself have only used doubles for the last couple of years ,even got some big singles for the febuary trip .
If you want a dam good treble for waddys nothing beats the falkus Out barb from Partridge,this is not a hook for catch and return.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Highlander
Fred on the question of trebles on a fly, I guess they are or you would not be asking but I was under the impression that in most/some states in the USA a treble hook (on a fly) was not allowed.
I remember being told this a while back along with things like some States only allow a single fly & others a maximum of two on a tippet at any one time.
Reason I ask is that a colleague of mine may be visiting Oregon/Washington State area & he has asked me to tie a few Steel-head flies for him. Can you confirm current laws.
Tight Lines
First, thanks Mike that was exactly what I was looking for.
Highlander, you've opened the PNW's "64 Dollar question box." Take a Barrister Fishing if you're in 'fly only waters.' But before we go there, I'd like you to go get a large glass of Whisky, it will help with the following.
First, a treble hook is actually 'ok' here in the PNW, the question may be more of is it 'fly only' fishing water?' On what river, and what time of the year. And what a confused Oregon State Police Officer may think/been told what the regulations 'mean.'
Two examples of this in Oregon would be the 'fly only' section of the North Umpqua River**; it's 'fly only year 'round. A second example would be the Rogue River above Gold Ray Dam (just north of Medford, Or) which has a 'fly only' season during the fall months.
Washington has similar 'bits' of water that follow the above also. However, the two States 'regulations' as to what is/isn't "an artificial fly" are NOT the same. The following is a direct cut/paste from the Oregon regulations and covers what is "Fly Angling" and what is an "Artificial Fly," unless you're on the North Umpqua, which is different.
Fly Angling: Angling with a fly rod, fly reel, (no spinning or fixed spool reel(s)), floating or sinking fly line, leader, any type of backing line, and an artificial fly. In waters restricted to “Fly Angling Only”, no additional weights or attractors *shall be attached to the hook, leader, or line, and no metal core lines may be used.
Artificial Fly: A fly is a hook, dressed with conventional fly tying materials*. The affixed materials may be natural or synthetic. Tied in conjunction with other materials, the following items may be part of the fly: wire (lead or other metal) used for weighting the fly, dumbbell eyes or beads
(metal, glass or plastic). A fly is not a hook to which sinkers, molded weights, spinners, spoons or similar attractors are attached.
Not to confuse you here Highlander, but the above definition DOES NOT apply on the North Umpqua's 'fly only' water. See below for that change in the Regulations.
Strike indicator: A hookless, unscented floating device attached to the line or leader for the purpose of signaling a strike at the
fly. The point of attachment must be at least 18 inches from the fly. Strike indicators are not considered an “attachment” or an “attractor” and are therefore permitted in fly angling and artificial fly waters, except the
North Umpqua.***
So how big a hook?
Hook and Weight Regulations
1. No more than 2 hooks may be used while angling for Pacific halibut and no more than 3 hooks may be used while angling for other species. A double or treble point hook is classed as one hook.*****2. Measure hooks from point to shank, see sketch at right.
3. When angling for sturgeon, use of multiple-point hooks is prohibited in all waters. In the mainstem Columbia and Snake rivers, barbed hooks are also prohibited.
4. When angling for salmon or steelhead, (except in the ocean or as listed under Special Regulations for specific bodies of water) the following regulations apply:
a. Single-point hooks larger than 1-inch and multiple-point hooks larger than 9/16 inch are prohibited.
b. All weight, if not part of a conventional lure, must be attached above the hooks. When using single-point hooks larger than 5/8-inch or multiple-point hooks, the attachment of the weight must be 18 inches or more above uppermost hook.
5. When angling for salmon or steelhead in the ocean, anglers must refer to Marine Zone Regulations for Salmon and Steelhead, page 96 and the Northwest Zone Special Regulations for Tillamook Bay, page 31.
• Use of bait allowed in mainstem Rogue except:
1. Gold Ray Reservoir (not including the reservoir) upstream to markers located downstream from Cole Rivers Hatchery Diversion Dam restricted to artificial flies (see definition page 11). Any type of rod and reel permitted but no metal core lines and no added weights or attachments except a bubble or similar floating device may be used Sept. 1-Oct. 31.
2. Gold Ray Reservoir (not including the reservoir) upstream to boat ramp at Shady Cove Park, restricted to artificial flies and lures, Nov. 1-Dec. 31.
North Umpqua River from fly • Springs Dam (31 miles) Special gear restrictions and closures
• July 1-Sept. 30 all angling restricted to use of single barbless unweighted artificial fly. For the purposes of this rule, an unweighted artificial fly is defined as: “a conventional hook that is dressed with natural or artificial materials, and to
which no molded weight (such as split shot, jig heads or dumbbell eyes), metal wire, metal beads, bead chain eyes, or plastic body are affixed, and to which no added weight, spinning or attractor device, or natural bait is attached.”
• Jan. 1-June 30 and Oct. 1-Dec. 31 restricted to fly angling only with single barbless hook**** (see fly angling
definition on page 11).• Any type rod or reel permitted, but no metal core lines and no added weights or attachments to line, leader or fly (including, but not limited to, strike indicators) except nonfly monofilament lines may have a casting bubble or similar floating device.
• Closed from Soda Springs Dam downstream about 1/2 mile to marker located downstream from power plant enclosure.
• No angling from a floating device.
Rogue River fly only regulations:
Special gear restrictions and closures
• Use of bait allowed in mainstem Rogue except:
1. Gold Ray Reservoir (not including the reservoir) upstream to markers located downstream from Cole Rivers Hatchery Diversion Dam restricted to artificial flies (see definition page 11). Any type of rod and reel permitted but no metal core lines and no added weights or attachments except a bubble or similar floating device may be used Sept. 1-Oct. 31.
2. Gold Ray Reservoir (not including the reservoir) upstream to boat ramp at Shady Cove Park, restricted to artificial flies and lures, Nov. 1-Dec. 31.
* There is no definition given as to what 'an attractor' may be. Nor what are "conventional fly tying materials."
** The following is just ONE of the sections (there are a total of NINETY THREE PAGES!!) of the Umpqua River.
*** So you can use a 'strike indicator' anywhere in the State, save for the North Umpqua. Any one totally confused yet? The following is a 'cut and paste' for two rivers 'fly only' regulations. Notice the differences between the two. Effectively a 'fly' on one river will get you 'jail time' on the other (we'll come to that at the end )
**** " ... restricted to use of single barbless unweighted artificial fly. For the purposes of this rule, an unweighted artificial fly is defined as: “a conventional hook that is dressed with natural or artificial materials, .." So is a "single babless unweighted artificial fly" have a single, double or treble hook? Who knows the regulations don't make a distinction.
***** Now if you had a double/treble hook in the NU's fly only water you (in all probability) would get a citation for an 'illegal hook.' Don't you just love this Shite?
So you didn't understand any of the above? Tough.
BAIL SCHEDULES
Most violations of the wildlife and commercial fishing laws and regulations are Class A Misdemeanors, punishable by a maximum $5,000 fine and a maximum sentence of confinement to the county jail of one (1) year. There is no scheduled bail and mandatory court appearance is required if charged as a Class A Misdemeanor. Violations of the wildlife and commercial fishing laws and regulations charged as violations rather than Class A Misdemeanors due to the absence of culpable mental state, or at the direction of the district attorney, have the following
bail schedules:
$75 Violations that do not involve “taking” of wildlife, except for violations of the nonresident
licensing provisions of ORS 497.102 and 497.121 and provisions of ORS 496.994.
$150 Violations for the “taking” of nongame mammals or game birds, and size or quantity limit for
fish and shellfish, except salmon, steelhead and sturgeon. $299 Violations for the “taking” of salmon, steelhead, sturgeon, wildlife not otherwise provided and all other wildlife offenses.
6. Barbless hooks are strongly advised unless specifically required ..
Oh ya, did I mention Washington, Idaho and Montana's regulations are different? Well, to 'simplify' a lot of the above: In the 'fly only water' on the North Umpqua a fly with ANY kind of weighted material in the construction would be 'illegal.' This would include a wire rib, bead head; you could also build a good case that a "tube fly" or a fly done on a Waddington Shank would be 'illegal' as the fly is not tied ON the hook. In the rest of the State, including the 'fly only' period on the Rogue, you can use a "feather brick" on the end of your leader ... you just can't have any additional 'weight' above the fly (split shot as an example).
Quote:
Originally Posted by ACW
Shocked that Fred is going the treble route,Myself have only used doubles for the last couple of years ,even got some big singles for the febuary trip .
If you want a dam good treble for waddys nothing beats the falkus Out barb from Partridge,this is not a hook for catch and return.
Not to be too shocked my friend. 99% of the time I'm using a #4 short shank, 2X ring eye hook; same as I'd use on a tube fly (hook attached the same way with a bit of plastic tube). Tried 'doubles' but if used directly on the rear 'ring' on a Waddy they lay off at an odd angle (to the side). Concerned how this would empact the flies action in the (under) water and 'hooking rate.'
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Fred, WOW! I am surprised that they don't make you take a degree in law before giving you a permit, or do you need a pilot's licence to fly fish?!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ceilidh
Fred, WOW! I am surprised that they don't make you take a degree in law before giving you a permit, or do you need a pilot's licence to fly fish?!
The following is a c/p from Washington States FISHING regulations (all 123 pages thereof!):
"FLY FISHING ONLY
In “Fly Fishing Only” waters, an angler may
use only the following tackle: up to 2 fl ies,
each with a barbless single point hook, not
to exceed ½” from point to shank and a
conventional fl y line (other line may be used
for backing or leader if attached to at least
25 feet of fl y line). Anglers may not use fi xed
spool reels, bait, or weight attached to the
leader or line.
An angler with a disability may fi sh in “Fly
Fishing Only” waters with spin casting gear,
with a casting bubble, provided that the
angler has a special use disability permit in
his or her possession. All other restrictions
listed above still apply."
Soooo, your fly line must be at least 25' long, you have to use a specific kind of reel, and the spin casting gear, that IS LEGAL for anyone's use in Oregon, requires you have "a special use disability permit." But at least they tell you a 'fly' just has a single point.... but only one half the point gap 'legal' in Oregon.
And lets not forget that IF you want to have 'backing' behind your fly line ... Ah hell, forget it.
Are we having fun yet?????
Edit: here's a 'Washington regulation gem' I just noticed.
"SELECTIVE GEAR RULES
Only unscented artificial flies or lures ('scent' legal in Oregon, save for the North Umpqua) with one single point barbless hook are allowed. (Oregon could be a double/treble, if I read the reg's correctly.)
Up to a total of three artificial flies or lures (Maximum of two in Oregon) containing single point barbless hooks may be used. Bait is prohibited; fi sh may be released until the daily limit is retained. Only knotless nets may be used to land fi sh (no such regulation in Oregon).
No one may fi sh from any fl oating device equipped with an internal combustion motor,
except where specifi cally allowed under Special Rules for individual waters. (Electric
motors are now permitted under selective gear rules). If any fi sh has swallowed the
hook or is hooked in the gill, eye, or tongue, it should be kept if legal to do so (In Oregon any 'illegally hooked' fish must be returned).
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The States can, and do, change the regulations over the course of a year. For 'up-dates' you're required to go 'on line' to the States web site to stay current. Don't ... go back and review the citation information above.
As an example, Washington State "published" pages and pages of 'special regulations' during 2006. Only place they appear 'in print' is on the web site.
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Right..... By the time I work that one out his holiday will be over.
Would it not be simpler to have National Legislation rather than that mismatch of State laws. Strange country indeed.
Thanks for info though, will digest it later.A Philly lawer would have been handy.
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:beathead: As this is a thread on one of the larger fly fishing boards in the UK, suspect I just killed tourism as we know it.