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John Hicks
10-05-2007, 03:53 AM
I was just out the other day and was on a cherry of a run. Glass smooth walking pace water that just had to have fish in it. I was wondering if anyone has any good techniques for greased line presentation.




Red Shed
10-05-2007, 07:31 AM
If you do a search on Spey Pages using "greased line" and the author "RobAllen" you should find a good piece on greased line fishing.

James Mello
10-05-2007, 10:11 AM
I was just out the other day and was on a cherry of a run. Glass smooth walking pace water that just had to have fish in it. I was wondering if anyone has any good techniques for greased line presentation.

John is going to be a pioneer on the east coast... "Greased line techniques for catfish".... :beer2:

BDD
10-05-2007, 02:08 PM
I bought a book at Red Shed's store last year while coming back from Idaho called Greased Line Fishing by Jock Scott. Classic book worth reading if your are interested in grease line fishing.

Sloan Craven
10-05-2007, 06:45 PM
John is going to be an Atlantic Salmon fisher first and a PNW Steelheader second if he keeps it up.

My simplest understanding of Greased line fishing is the basic wet fly on a floating line and you mend it 3 or 4 times rather than allow it to 'swing'..

speyfisher
10-05-2007, 08:58 PM
John is going to be an Atlantic Salmon fisher first and a PNW Steelheader second if he keeps it up.

My simplest understanding of Greased line fishing is the basic wet fly on a floating line and you mend it 3 or 4 times rather than allow it to 'swing'..

A lot of fly fishers new to steelheading come from the trout discipline where a dead drift is paramount to success. Drag is to be avoided at all costs.

Any type of swinging a fly is an art. Unlike the dead drift, You are trying to use the river to impart movement to the fly. Possibly also, to gain depth without having to resort to added weight. Even if it be only a few inches. Read the book. Two or three times. Then read Art Lee's book on tying & fishing the riffle hitch. By then it may start to sink in enough that when you actually try to fish that style, you will have a basic understanding line control. What to do to make it work on different pieces of water. Thoughout the swing. And why. You will also note the preface to Greased Line by Bill McMillan. Fitting comments by one who became so obcessed by the method as to fish it exclusively.

Sloan Craven
10-05-2007, 09:15 PM
A lot of fly fishers new to steelheading come from the trout discipline where a dead drift is paramount to success. Drag is to be avoided at all costs.

Any type of swinging a fly is an art. Unlike the dead drift, You are trying to use the river to impart movement to the fly. Possibly also, to gain depth without having to resort to added weight. Even if it be only a few inches. Read the book. Two or three times. Then read Art Lee's book on tying & fishing the riffle hitch. By then it may start to sink in enough that when you actually try to fish that style, you will have a basic understanding line control. What to do to make it work on different pieces of water. Thoughout the swing. And why. You will also note the preface to Greased Line by Bill McMillan. Fitting comments by one who became so obcessed by the method as to fish it exclusively.


So, let's just say that it would take years for me to get around to reading the book. What is it in 100 words or less.

John Hicks
10-06-2007, 06:44 AM
Sloan,

Really, do you think you actaully have the stodginess to fish a riffling hitch? I've seen you on the water, and you really smile way to much to be successful at it.

James Mello
10-06-2007, 12:19 PM
Sloan,

Really, do you think you actaully have the stodginess to fish a riffling hitch? I've seen you on the water, and you really smile way to much to be successful at it.

He's back on the East Coast... He's all LL Bean, Orvis, and Eddie Bauer now.... Last I heard, he's been using gut leaders, cane, and complaining about all the folks nymphing....

John Hicks
10-06-2007, 01:27 PM
No James he is in Upstate NY right? He's using slinkies and spin and glows doped up with shrimp oil.

:rofl::rofl:

Sloan Craven
10-06-2007, 02:48 PM
No James he is in Upstate NY right? He's using slinkies and spin and glows doped up with shrimp oil.

:rofl::rofl:

Whoaaaa, don't knock the upstate NY.

I actually went into an Orvis store in Boston the other day to kill time. Picked up one of their new spey rods and it actually felt nice, like they put some time in on the design. Just a heads up if you see one on sale. I asked the guy what his thoughts were on it and he said he wasn't into spey casting. I promptly kicked him in the groin. (just kidding)

John Hicks
10-06-2007, 03:44 PM
Whoaaaa, don't knock the upstate NY.

I actually went into an Orvis store in Boston the other day to kill time. Picked up one of their new spey rods and it actually felt nice, like they put some time in on the design. Just a heads up if you see one on sale. I asked the guy what his thoughts were on it and he said he wasn't into spey casting. I promptly kicked him in the groin. (just kidding)

Sloan, That store is getto now. The manager there has run it into the ground. If you want some real sage advice look up Jim Rusher at the LL Bean store in Woburn. He is by far one of the greats out that way. Tell him I sent you in.

Hal Eckert
10-07-2007, 08:41 AM
As others said check out Greased Lines Fishing for Salmon and Steelhead - Jock Scott like I did in 1982 when it came out in the paper back version with B. Mcmillans preface. AHE Wood was way ahead of his time and the principles in it apply today.

http://www.flyfishinghistory.com/ahewood.htm

Also check out Atlantic Salmon fly fisherman books, like Wulffs - Salmon on a Fly which also discussed greased line dry fly which Scotts book on AHE Wood only discussed wet fly techniques.

:beer2:

fredaevans
10-08-2007, 01:42 AM
Many good thoughts here so I won't 'confuse' the issue. But the Jock Scott book is a classic. One of those books like that you can open to any page and have a good read ... even the 4th time through.
Fred