indicators in fly only water?

#31
Try this rig, you can nymph fish under an indicator and finish with a swing at the end. Kind of like your all in one rig (if you put a hook on your yarn indicator you'll even have a dry fly in there;)). But for real, soft hackle flies at the end swung can yield some really nice results.
 
#32
Travel far enough back in time and there is no such thing as "tradition", therefor I believe it is a myth created by those who want things done their way. This is what I believe, but I do not for a second begrudge those who like the idea of tradition and choose to practice there form of tradition/beliefs I do not believe though that those who follow tradition are in anyway superior to me in their believes. Sounds like you had a great time on the water those years and I can see how you would pine for things to stay the way you envision them. I get it and would be happy to share the experience the river with you. I have my own rivers that I revere and parts of the Stilly make up that collection. I honestly believe that there is room for multiple thoughts in this process. I have time this summer, I bet we could teach each other a thing or two. Maybe a North/South kind of thing.


I'm always down. Honestly, I get what you're saying about complicated mends and constant attention to line control, although on the NF Stilly i don't think the seams are that complex. I don't begrudge anyone the way they get their kicks ( I used to fly fish the deer creek run high on acid...)
On any other river nothing bothers me at all about nymphing etc etc. I'm not a purist at all, I just can't bring myself to use a bobber on the NF Stilly.

A north/ south trade off would be fun. I can put you on the beach sight casting to fish so picky that permit fishing seems easy :) also it's TUNA SEASON and MAKO SEASON!!!!! Bring a 12 weight- and the biggest damn reel you've got
 

golfman44

5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year
#33
I'm always down. Honestly, I get what you're saying about complicated mends and constant attention to line control, although on the NF Stilly i don't think the seams are that complex. I don't begrudge anyone the way they get their kicks ( I used to fly fish the deer creek run high on acid...)
On any other river nothing bothers me at all about nymphing etc etc. I'm not a purist at all, I just can't bring myself to use a bobber on the NF Stilly.

A north/ south trade off would be fun. I can put you on the beach sight casting to fish so picky that permit fishing seems easy :) also it's TUNA SEASON and MAKO SEASON!!!!! Bring a 12 weight- and the biggest damn reel you've got
Ira could catch a mako under an indicator.
 

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
#34
Oh sop, here we go again. I will fish with an indicator there when I get the chance and I will not feel like I'm disrespectful because I'm fishing in a legal way enjoying my time on the water. I will not let a small handful of traditionalist for a second ruin that for me. They may have been a vocal minority but there was another majority that pushed for the rule change as well, only some didn't get their perfect wish of what they envisioned.

No sop you can not "roll" into my property and proceed to get blazed, it is not legal, but honestly I wouldn't really care. Goes back to that whole no one can make you feel inferior without your consent.

I love that you say you don't want to belabor the discussion yet you keep it going anyway. Tacky and classless, classic superiority/self righteous rhetoric that is somehow said to make me less of a man or a fisher. You "Nailed It". As far as knowing it is a cultural no no, I know that some people frown upon it but I don't believe for a second that even close to a majority of folks believe the same thing. If people are honestly this up in arms about the whole thing then start your petitions now to get the rule clearly changed stop beeatchin about and do something about it.
There is some heavy mind blowin concepts being layed down here !
 

billp

Active Member
#35
Try this rig, you can nymph fish under an indicator and finish with a swing at the end. Kind of like your all in one rig (if you put a hook on your yarn indicator you'll even have a dry fly in there;)). But for real, soft hackle flies at the end swung can yield some really nice results.
I bet if you tried you could knot up that 15" of indicator line enough to make it look kinda like a bobber.
 

jwg

Active Member
#37
Back to the original question

Some responders have stated definitively that indicators are legal on flyfishing only waters.

I'm curious what is the basis for this.

As I read the regs, the language is " angler may use ONLY the following tackle ... Flies... Fly line... Backing.... Leader.... " and not "fixed spool reels ... Bait... Weight attached to the leader or line". ...

In flyfishing only waters an indicator would be something that is not among the ONLY items that are listed and allowed above.

What am I missing here? Or am I overthinking it?

J
 
#39
I suppose you could get around it by using the indicator lines if you wanted
I asked the warden on the Stilly about bobber fishing one day a few years ago and the way they interpret the law is that since it isn't expressly forbidden, it's legal
Even the N Umpqua has relaxed its strict policies on the fly only water- sink tip lines allowed.

A sign of the times i suppose.
 
#40
I can't speak to the wording in washington's regs, but Oregon has many fly fishing only waters and most allow indicators. If you look at the regs for the fly only stretch of the North Umpqua it explicitly outlaws things that are allowed on all the other "fly only" waters.
 

billp

Active Member
#42
Except you can use sinking lines on the N Umpqua fly water now
really? all year long? I haven't been over there in years, like 15 or so but used to fish it often when I lived closer. When and how did that change? I kind of liked that rule over there. Kept the pressure down I think. Of course I kind of view sink tips on the same level as using a indicator.

One you are a goddamn bobber fisherman, the other you might as well be swinging a blue fox. Heathens either way.
 

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
#43
Ira, congratulations you may have the last word here. This is one of those discussions where either side is going to convince the other. I do not think fishing an indicator makes you inferior, or less of an angler just so we're clear. I'm just asking for you to merely consider (whether you act on it or not is ultimately a personal choice) some small reverence for the ways the past pioneers envisioned it working, and remember there a time and place for darn near everything. Furthermore, I don't take our little debates personally and would implore you to feel the same as my intention is not to attack or bring you down and not to make me feel superior. Not my intention. Just a passionate exchange of ideas that's all. I'd fish with you, I'd have a beer with you.

Dang you sop, I wanted to be the one to ask when the heck we were going to share a beer and fish together. I even meant to put it in my post. Seriously, never have been offended and I enjoy the passionate exchange of ideas. For example if stilly and I do make it out and the idea of the indicator really bothered him that much, I'd hook steel some other way on the North Fork. After that though all bets are off.
 

golfman44

5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year
#45
Dang you sop, I wanted to be the one to ask when the heck we were going to share a beer and fish together. I even meant to put it in my post. Seriously, never have been offended and I enjoy the passionate exchange of ideas. For example if stilly and I do make it out and the idea of the indicator really bothered him that much, I'd hook steel some other way on the North Fork. After that though all bets are off.
Don't fall for the bait of fishing with Ira. You'll take him out to teach him a new fishery and he will be the only one who catches fish. To make matters worse a fish will actually hit his bobber instead of the fly you're fishing.