12'6 cnd black spey or 13'4 loomis metolius

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by square tail, Apr 14, 2007.

  1. square tail

    square tail Member

    looking at one of these 5/6/7/ weight for light spey for coho pinks and small steelhead not shure which one please help is one better than the other or has anbody cast both to compare will be putting a loop classic reel on the rod with skagit line thanks lots.:beathead:
     
  2. Rob Zelk

    Rob Zelk I swing, therefore i am.

    The Metolius is a badass all around. I havent cast the CND, but you just can't go wrong with loomis. Here's a couple steel on the Metolius, also a friend of mine caught a nice 8 pound chrome bright chinook of all things skating a bomber with the rod!
     
  3. flybill

    flybill Purveyor of fine hackle, wine & cigars!

    I've cast most of the CND rods and if you had, you may think differently. I've loved most of the CND rods that I've tried!! The black series is sweet and pair up very nicely with the CND lines! The Solstice and Skagit Specialist are great rods too.

    I personally don't care too much that they are produced in China, as long as the quality is good and the components are on par with the prices. I have seen some very high end rods that have the crappiest finishes on them and that would piss me off more than anything else.

    Anyway, to each is own when it comes to deciding if you want to buy a local product or something put together in other parts of the world.

    If you want the best of both of your options, I would personally check out the Bob Meiser rods. While the blanks are made in New Zealand, the rods are finished in OR and prices compare with other high end rods, however these are custom rods. I am going to be building a rod on a Buelah blank soon, which is a Meiser formula for his Highlander series. Good luck with whatever you end up with!

    Bill
     
  4. Red Shed

    Red Shed "junkyard spey"

    CND rods are priced as high as the US rods because they perform as good as the US rods, which is what really matters. A lot of high end rods are mass produced in the US so what's the difference?

    You are most certainly entitled to your opinion, but since you've just popped out of the wood work with two posts that show us your strong bias against only CND it would seem you have some sort of hidden agenda. It would be nice if you filled out your profile so we could see who you really are. Then maybe we could have a meaningful discussion about what makes a spey rod worthy of a consumer's $$$. It most certainly is not about where it was made.
     
  5. Salmo Trutta

    Salmo Trutta Member

    If your target is fish up to in 3-11 lb like Alaskan Wild Rainbow, I would strongly recommend to try Bob Meiser Spey Trouter 12’6” 4/5/6. It is a blast, period.


    If however your target is a bit bigger fish 6-15lb, test the Sweetheart 7125 ( 12’5” 6/7/8 which is more of a 6/7) rolled out form scratch ( graphite fabric) in Washougal, WA by Leonardo da Vinci of the a blank and rod design: Kerry Burkheimer.

    I have both rods and love them.
     
  6. Eric Tarcha

    Eric Tarcha gear whore

    i have the loomis and love it. I have been casting a rio outbound in the salt for SRC and it is a sweetheart. I bought a skagit line for it as well, but have not had a chance to cast it yet, but i for see a love affair starting.... :)
     
  7. bigtj

    bigtj Member

    Another vote for the Loomis. I don't know what it is about the rod but it just has a lot of "soul". The extra length is really nice too for mending but it doesn't feel clubby at all. For the money it's a hard stick to beat. You probably can't go wrong with either, CND makes some great rods too.

    Right now I'm using a bastardized skagit-type floating line at about 435 grains on about 47 feet of line with the floating tip. I've also cast a home-made 450 grain skagit line with a 12' 100 grain tip (550 grains total at 42 feet) and an Orvis (i.e. SA) Type 1 wf-7-f, which if I remember correctly is about 500 +/- grains at around 45 feet. It casts all lines equally well to 80+ feet without mushing out. With the second two lines you can feel the flex pretty far into the butt but it's still authoratative. I have a 500 grain full floater on the way and I think it should be pretty nice for this rod. Rio recommends the 400 grain skagit for tips but you should consider at least test-casting the 450 and see what you like with the tips you'll use. Take home message is this...wide grain window!

    The loop classic reel, that's the one with the regular handle, the same as the daniellson original? Not the loop with the S handle? That is one sweet reel. I have a 3W and I'm using it with my loomis and a 6126-3 sage Euro I just picked up. Great reel. Butter smooth. Would balance perfectly with either rod. I can't think of a reel I would recommend more highly for a light troutspey/steelhead set-up, unless the person was really set on a disc drag.

    You are going to be stoked with your setup, whichever rod you buy, they are great rods that I can guarantee.
     
  8. Salmo_g

    Salmo_g Active Member

    I haven't cast the Metolius, so I don't have an opinion. The CND Black Spey series is a slower action than I expected of them. I've got the CND Spey Tracker, 12' 5/6/7 and use a short head 6 wt Spey on it, and I absolutely love it for SRC, bull trout, and summer steelhead. I hadn't thought about pinks, but I might try that this summer. I've got another rod, a 7 wt, that I'll use for silver salmon.

    Sincerely,

    Salmo g.
     
  9. Joepa

    Joepa Joe from PA

    I didn't care for the Loomis Metolius (thought it was too long - felt noodly to me). Haven't tried the new CND black although I recall casting a 6wt? CND rod that I liked. I ultimately spent the $ on a Gary Anderson custom "blue" 12'1" (Burkheimer blank) and love it. The Meiser rod noted above is the only other trout spey that I've tried that I liked as much (the Sage 5 wt spey was ok). I would think there's a big difference between the CND and the Metolius simply due to the LOA.
     
  10. fly_rep@hotmail.com

    fly_rep@hotmail.com Banned or Parked

    They are overpriced if no one buys one. People buy them therefore they are definitely not overpriced. Even you think they are good rods,:confused: what I think it comes down to is that you think that a hand crafted rod by gary Anderson should cost more than a similiar rod that is made in a factory in China or Korea, and people obviously do not believe the same way you do. Get over it.

    On the oter Hand apparently while some shops carry the fly line, no shops in California carry the rods, and even the Bill Kiene, owner of Kiene's fly shop in Sacramento, self pro-proclaimed as having the largest inventory of spey rods in California, stated on kiene.com that he agreed with you that they are over-priced if you figures are correct (which reviewing their web site are correct)