High Dollar vs. Less Dollar Rods

#46
I love it…nearly 50 replies and closing in on 700 views for this “pointless discussion.” And I'll betcha we ain't done yet. Reaction is everything. Fishntie, props for pushing just the right button.

Hardy to Horrocks – use whatever you like and have an opinion about it. Big deal. At the end of the day it’s a damn ‘fishing pole’ anyway. Besides, if we all agreed, this site would get awful boring in a hurry.

BTW, anyone wanna buy my 50 year old Horrocks? Casts like a noodle and weighs as much as a bowling ball…don’t all jump at once…
 
#47
Wow... an entire thread devoted to little more than feelings... Gentlemen, other than to expound upon your feelings, brand loyalty, and amex card balances: what really was the point of this thread? Value is completely subjective to the consumer and has as much or as little to do with the MSRP of the unit sold as the buyer gives it credit for.

Blanket generalizations and assumptions about the fly rod quality, workmanship and value are.....well.... pointless.

Hey, who allowed women on our site. :mad:

(For the humorless, this is called a joke....)
 

Old Man

Just an Old Man
#48
What a bunch of bullshit about the price of fly rods. If you want to spend a bunch of money on a rod go to it. Quit asking opinions about which is the one for you. Just go buy the damn thing. The fish you catch doen't care which rod you use and neither do I. Same on the reel and the line.

It is the fisherman that catch's the fish with the way he uses the rod and line. Be it the cheap kind or the expensive kind.

You all need to get out and do some fishing to get off this kick on how much the damn fly gear costs. If you can't afford it quit talking about it..

Sheese.

Jim
 

nb_ken

Active Member
#49
I've never been rich and I've never been poor, but I've been close enough to be mistaken for both.

First of all, this is a fly fishing forum. You're not allowed to plead poverty. Someone mentioned that they're perfectly happy with a $200 outfit -- rod, reel, line -- as if that was the pinnacle of frugality. There have been times in my life where I would have said, "What? You spent $200 on a fishing pole? And you can't even use it as a tool to make money? Wish I was rich like you." I don't think anybody reading this is going to have to make a choice between buying gas or buying food any time soon.

At the other end, if you think a BMW is nothing but a status symbol, then you've never driven a BMW. If you think an L. Kreh Sig is just as nice as a Z-Axis, then you've never fished with a Z-Axis.

It's true that there are some tactile/emotional advantages to owning a high-end rod. They're generally prettier. They have nicer components. There is some snob appeal. But it doesn't end there.

My GLX is the definition of crispness. I can use it to throw 250 consecutive tight loops effortlessly. When I went from a GL3 to a Metolious it took one false cast off my stroke. Over a 10-hour day and 500-1000 casts, that's significant. Does that translate into more fish? Maybe. Maybe not. But it sure makes for a more enjoyable outing.

You can argue that your '94 Corolla gets you to work every morning just like a BMW. But don't try to tell me that it drives like a BMW.
 
#50
I think another factor is: Not everyone would be skilled enough to really take advantage of the performance of the BMW. I mean, if you were just going to drive it to and from work at 35 mph, you wouldn't really even see it's performance. Really, due to it's stiffer perfomance suspension and tight steering, you'd probably like it less than a good Buick. Like most cars, tennis racquets, golf clubs, or fly rods; you've got to be able to push them to their upper limit to really enjoy the "high end" of their design. If you cast dry flies on small streams, many are right, any rod will do just fine. The rod isn't even loading more than 10-15% of it's capability. How would you see it's power or maximum precision? However, if you are casting 70-90 feet in a flat, or sitting in a kayak trying to drop a fly in front of a redfish in a strong ebb tide, or roll casting a heavy nymph rig for steelhead, or casting off the beach for that pink that's "just a little out there", you'll appreciate perfomance. Performance ALWAYS takes better R&D and materials. This ALWAYS pushes up the cost (and yes, so does marketing)....

So, I agree, for a lot of folks, spending $650 on a fly rod would be like a 25 handicapper thinking a new $ 650 driver is the answer....
 

chadk

Be the guide...
#52
I agree with Jason on this!!! Try to nab a hot Bellevue blonde without a mid range BMW, Benz, Mazaratti etc. Not saying it is impossible, but $$$$$$ talks and adds to your overall presentation!

Now the real question is would you rather have a high heeling, red lipstick wearing blonde that will hit the spa while you go fishing or a less money motivated person who will adorn herself in Simms and Fish Pond and be casting next to you! Both I have yet to find, but when I do, yall will be the first to know.

Speaking of baseball, Barry Bonds worth the money or not? Who knows, but he certainly has put up the numbers for the Giants at a premium price!!
Obi - based on the quality of your various posts such as this one, I'm starting to understand why you are having such a hard time finding someone of the opposite sex that will give you the time of day... :eek:
 

Chris Puma

hates waking up early
#53
I've never been rich and I've never been poor, but I've been close enough to be mistaken for both.

First of all, this is a fly fishing forum. You're not allowed to plead poverty. Someone mentioned that they're perfectly happy with a $200 outfit -- rod, reel, line -- as if that was the pinnacle of frugality. There have been times in my life where I would have said, "What? You spent $200 on a fishing pole? And you can't even use it as a tool to make money? Wish I was rich like you." I don't think anybody reading this is going to have to make a choice between buying gas or buying food any time soon.

At the other end, if you think a BMW is nothing but a status symbol, then you've never driven a BMW. If you think an L. Kreh Sig is just as nice as a Z-Axis, then you've never fished with a Z-Axis.

It's true that there are some tactile/emotional advantages to owning a high-end rod. They're generally prettier. They have nicer components. There is some snob appeal. But it doesn't end there.

My GLX is the definition of crispness. I can use it to throw 250 consecutive tight loops effortlessly. When I went from a GL3 to a Metolious it took one false cast off my stroke. Over a 10-hour day and 500-1000 casts, that's significant. Does that translate into more fish? Maybe. Maybe not. But it sure makes for a more enjoyable outing.

You can argue that your '94 Corolla gets you to work every morning just like a BMW. But don't try to tell me that it drives like a BMW.
could it be that the GLX has a DIFFERENT action than the Metolious? could it be that you're used to the GLX and you're casting style doesn't adapt to fishing with another series of G Loomis rod? could that be the reason why you are not throwing tight unbelievably sexy loops?

someone who i fished with from this forum told me that he only fishes with stuff he gets for free. that guy has the right mentality. sometimes i feel i'm the only jerk off who pays full price for a rod. almost nobody i fish with pays retail. somehow i feel like i should be laughing at myself for spending so much money on fly fishing crap.
 

chadk

Be the guide...
#54
I think another factor is: Not everyone would be skilled enough to really take advantage of the performance of the BMW. I mean, if you were just going to drive it to and from work at 35 mph, you wouldn't really even see it's performance. Really, due to it's stiffer perfomance suspension and tight steering, you'd probably like it less than a good Buick. Like most cars, tennis racquets, golf clubs, or fly rods; you've got to be able to push them to their upper limit to really enjoy the "high end" of their design. If you cast dry flies on small streams, many are right, any rod will do just fine. The rod isn't even loading more than 10-15% of it's capability. How would you see it's power or maximum precision? However, if you are casting 70-90 feet in a flat, or sitting in a kayak trying to drop a fly in front of a redfish, or roll casting a heavy nymph rig for steelhead, or casting off the beach for that pink that's "just a little out there", you'll appreciate perfomance. Performance ALWAYS takes better R&D and materials. This ALWAYS pushes up the cost (and yes, so does marketing)....
Speaking of marketing... I think you've been hooked... so to speak :)
 
#56
You can argue that your '94 Corolla gets you to work every morning just like a BMW. But don't try to tell me that it drives like a BMW.
I agree as well, but........here is the huge but.........my mom has a 93' Corolla and my gf has a 2006 BMW Z and the BMW has seen countless hours of shop time and my mom is lucky to change her oil every 7,000 miles and has never had a problem. This has also been the results of other BMW owners that I know. They are fun to drive when everything goes well, but you cringe when things go bad and dashboard lights start to come on for no reason. The Z is a fun drive, but I must say the quality of German cars seems to be behind the quality of Japanese vehicles IMHO.
 
#57
Obi - based on the quality of your various posts such as this one, I'm starting to understand why you are having such a hard time finding someone of the opposite sex that will give you the time of day... :eek:
Why would you say such a thing Chad are you worried that your wife/gf might get the notion in her to take a ride on the wildside? Infidelity got you a little worried? Trust me, I have more notches in my belt than you have caught fish!!! Just some food for thought:cool:
 

Flyborg

Active Member
#58
Why would you say such a thing Chad are you worried that your wife/gf might get the notion in her to take a ride on the wildside? Infidelity got you a little worried? Trust me, I have more notches in my belt than you have caught fish!!! Just some food for thought:cool:
I think they have a word for that.

Oh yeah, DISEASED!

:thumb:
 

chadk

Be the guide...
#59
Why would you say such a thing Chad are you worried that your wife/gf might get the notion in her to take a ride on the wildside? Infidelity got you a little worried? Trust me, I have more notches in my belt than you have caught fish!!! Just some food for thought:cool:
If that is supposed to be food for thought.... I need to find a way to market it and get rich on the new fool proof diet system. :rofl: