Wild Steelhead at local Haggens

jasmillo

Active Member
#16
Screw Haggens how about Trident? The Bundrant family owns Trident. I went to O'Dea and played football with Joe the son of the owner who owns Trident. His beautiful daughter Jill was a longtime girlfriend of mine, and Julie his other daughter married my best friend's brother Pat. Chuck Bundrant started Trident out of a single rowboat when he got out of the Air Force. He's originally from Tennessee and is a fair, hard assed man's man who has worked and fought for every dollar he's earned. I liked him and respected him alot. Send your grievances to him, not Haggens. He'll tell you exactly how he feels, as will Joe his son. They are in the business of catching fish and selling them, not catching and releasing them. A good family and a good man running things. Not the way we like, but it's hard to turn your back on a couple hundred million. But commerical fisheries are about the almighty dollar aren't they? Reality isn't always right, but it's a bitch. So go screw with the manager of Haggens, Chuck Bundrant has plenty of buyers nationwide. Now when we have money pledged like that to our cause, somebody will actually listen to us. In the meantime, I can only chuckle at your bullshit, as you actually act like anybody gives a shit about out steelhead in Washinton. This has been going on for over a hundred years boys. It's now or never. Coach
iagree

Take away 1, 10, 15, 100, 1,000 buyers in WA and watch the suppliers move elsewhere in this country, or Europe, or Asia, etc. There will always be a market for these fish. The only way Steelhead will stop being sold as a food item is if it becomes economically viable for these fisherman to conserve them, through guiding, whatever. Until then, unless their hand is forced they will continue to sell them if there is a demand and it is legal.

I'm sorry, I'm as conservation minded as the next person but let's be realistic here. Seems like most of you are barking up the wrong tree. A lot of folks like to post how you went the Pike's or Haggans, but arguing with some 22 year old manager gets nothing done except make you feel better about yourself. You get a few pats on the back on this board and maybe get one store (but probably not) to stop selling these fish. Great, there are probably 10,000 buyers that will take them instead.

I am realistic enough to say I don't know what the answer is (somehow making suppliers "see the light"?) but I know that berating a fishmonger in some small town in WA is going to do nothing to help wild steelhead. It will probably make you sleep better at night but don't fool yourself....

I have an idea...how about getting "wild caught WA steelhead" listed on those annual lists of "good/bad" seafood to eat. Alot of you are more educated on this subject than I. How about starting some type of letter writing campaign to get this done. Those lists are actually read buy alot of folks, and taken into consideration countrywide (how many people have stopped eating farmed atlantic salmon?). Something to consider....at least to get the word out in this country.
 
#17
iagree

Take away 1, 10, 15, 100, 1,000 buyers in WA and watch the suppliers move elsewhere in this country, or Europe, or Asia, etc. There will always be a market for these fish. The only way Steelhead will stop being sold as a food item is if it becomes economically viable for these fisherman to conserve them, through guiding, whatever. Until then, unless their hand is forced they will continue to sell them if there is a demand and it is legal.

I'm sorry, I'm as conservation minded as the next person but let's be realistic here. Seems like most of you are barking up the wrong tree. A lot of folks like to post how you went the Pike's or Haggans, but arguing with some 22 year old manager gets nothing done except make you feel better about yourself. You get a few pats on the back on this board and maybe get one store (but probably not) to stop selling these fish. Great, there are probably 10,000 buyers that will take them instead.

I am realistic enough to say I don't know what the answer is (somehow making suppliers "see the light"?) but I know that berating a fishmonger in some small town in WA is going to do nothing to help wild steelhead. It will probably make you sleep better at night but don't fool yourself....

I have an idea...how about getting "wild caught WA steelhead" listed on those annual lists of "good/bad" seafood to eat. Alot of you are more educated on this subject than I. How about starting some type of letter writing campaign to get this done. Those lists are actually read buy alot of folks, and taken into consideration countrywide (how many people have stopped eating farmed atlantic salmon?). Something to consider....at least to get the word out in this country.
Since I retired don't know how many there are, will get back, great subject. And you didn't read my post D-fucking minus

Daryle
 

Jeremy Floyd

fly fishing my way through life
#19
This is one of the issues that I joined the CCA specifically because of. There isn't much I can do by myself except on a local level, so I joined a group of like minded folks.
 

nick42

basket weaver
#20
but, the more the consumer demands a product the more money goes toward sustaining said product. if there is no demand for 'wild' fish in the market, then the habitat etc. get's no attention $$$$... so shouldn't we actually buy wild?
 

Jeremy Floyd

fly fishing my way through life
#21
We as humans have a poor track record for things in demand. We tend to err on the side of slaughtering them for profit instead of protecting them for the long term.
 

nick42

basket weaver
#22
how else can corporations be motivated to care about what they are doing to the environment unless they see a profit motive?

i think we should buy wild and put money towards what we care about.
 

AnglerontheFly

row cast swing dangle strip drink
#23
I am holding The Blue Ocean Institute, Guide to Ocean Friendly Seafood. There are no steelhead listed anywhere. I have an in through West Marine and will see what I can do to get wild steelhead put on the next printed version of this guide. CCA is also a listed supporter of this publication and after tomorrow's meeting in Bellingham maybe this can be addressed through CCA as well. For more information on The Blue Ocean Institute go to http://www.blueocean.org

When dining or buying you can do the following:

Text "FISH" and species name to 30644 for instant sustainability info

Visit www.fishphone.org to download phone or pda friendly seafood guide.

Every little bit counts. Join the army, join CCA.
 

jasmillo

Active Member
#24
Daryl I read all your posts prior to writing my response....so now do I get an A? Don't know what your getting at. In any case I wasn't attacking you specifically. In fact, I don't have any issues with you talking with store managers, etc. My point is that there are probably more productive ways to attack this issue.

Angleronthefly posted a site that does have steelhead as a species of concern but it's not red-flagged by any means. Below are three additional websites I came across by searching "sustainable seafood"


http://www.mbayaq.org/cr/SeafoodWatch/web/sfw_regional.aspx

http://eartheasy.com/eat_sustainable_seafoods.htm

http://www.mnh.si.edu/seafood/seafoodchoices.htm

None of them list steelhead at all. Believe it or not, people read these lists, they are printed periodically in magazines, newspapers, talked about on cooking shows, etc. People who are not fisherman and are not involved conservation efforts will probably not eat these fish if they truly knew their status. Steelhead is not crack- it's trout. People eat it because it's something different not because it's the greatest tasting fish out there. It's also not cheap. Give them a reason not to eat it and they probably won't. The average person just is not well-informed on this subject.

Seriously, you know how many times I've heard don't eat farmed salmon in recent years? All the time- eventually the message catches on.
 

Citori

Piscatorial Engineer
#25
Jasmillo,

Thank you. Good points, and I concur completely.

"It is NOT OK to kill, buy, serve or sell wild steelhead." - over and over and over again.