What's the deal with the west coast fisheries?

#16
1,100 fish trapped is a good sign, but the fishery goes up and down without any rhyme or reason. The article also pointed out that most of the returners were hatchery fish that were dumped out at the river mouth.:hmmm: That's not to cool, where are they heading to once the start up stream? I guess they may be able to follow it to an intake to the hatchery, or hope that a wild fish leads the way to a successful spawning location. Also it shows that a large majority of the wild smolts are lost on the outward migration. Another bad omen.

As for the stripers it really depends on who you talk to. These are a few links from SOL. Most of these guys are pretty seasoned and we start to get early arrivals the first week of May and the fish are thick with 50 to 100 fish days by the third week of May. The fish are here now, but the numbers are still low. It may be nothing, but this is the second year of this trend.

http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/showthread.php?t=596857

http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/showthread.php?t=599374

http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/showthread.php?t=596608

http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/showthread.php?t=598058
 
#17
a very good history of salmon is a book called King of Fish, the Thousand-Year Run of Salmon by David Montgomery. Well worth the history read alone as he goes through the decline/decimation of salmon stocks on each ocean for the past 1000 years due to the 5 H's: Hydro (dams), Habitat, Hatcheries, Harvest and History.

Depressing to read that for centuries it has been documented and ignored/discounted for various reasons (mainly $$) that over-harvest, alteration to habitat and blocking of spawning grounds causes severe decline or extinction of fish runs.

Possibly the last healthy salmon grounds in the WORLD might be decimated by one of the largest mines in the world proposed in Alaska.

Follow the dollars to extinction.
 
#18
If you want a good history of mans impact on salmon in the PNW, you should read Jim Licatowitz's book ( salmon without rivers), He spreads the blame around pretty well.

A quick look on the WDFG web site, I found the sport catch #'s for the coast & sound,
for 2002-3. 196,883 chinook, 282,212 coho, 25,805 chum,12,940 jacks. These #'s are from punch cards and creel checks, so they are probably low. The impact of the sport fishery is greater than one thinks, but it's hard to see, cause it's spread over time and area.



























qiuck look on wdf
 
#20
I lived in Florida right around the time the net bans went into effect and commercial fishing was shut off for the most part. That was mid-80s I guess.
watching the net ban in WA fail several years ago was awful, after seeing such beneficial effects elsewhere, and I can't help but think this discussion could have been much different.
iagree

I couldn't agree more. The problem is pure political bullshit. The commercials have the power in the northwest. If it were a matter of "following the dollars" sport fishing would have almost total control. Sport fishing generates nearly $200.00 per fish while commercials get less than $50.00.
 

KerryS

Ignored Member
#21
I've had some 100+ fish days in the last four years with schoolies(juveniles between 15-26") in the rivers on my 5 wt.
Oh come on now. If you fished for 10 hours that would amount to 10 fish an hour and 6 minutes to land each one, with a 5 weight:rofl: I ain't buying it.
 
#22
Hmmmm..... Voice in Head starts speaking..... "Message to self. Next time I feel like bullshitting someone, remember Kerry's blunt illustration that PNW fly-fishermen not only will check your story, but more importantly they can all count......Save bullshit stories for schoolie experts from East Coast, especially Maine..... Noted." :D Coach
 
#23
Note to both know it alls...there were three of us, and its true. Another note next time mighty PNW fly fisherman want to call "eastcoasters" liars...remember you don't know it all. If only I could BS like all you great and mighty ones. I bow to your humble greatness.....

You may not be buying it, but thats ok ......I'm not selling it, aside form there being three of us most times, they were coming that quick. How much striper fishing you guys done?
 
#24
I've I've I've had some 100 fish days (schoolies) on my five weight. Do you say that, or did you say, "I've fished with two buddies a few times, and we've hit over 100 fish in a day of fishing schoolies." Now what do you expect us to read into your statement? Note to self.......Voice in Head starts up again...."When bullshit artists from Maine start throwing around fish counts always assume that "I've" really means me and two other guys." How could Kerry and me be so stupid? Everyone in Maine really means "me and two other guys" when they say "I've had some 100 fish days on my five weight!" Now when you go fishing in Washington since you live there now, I means I and two other guys means me and two other guys. We keep it simple us "know it alls". Tight lines and welcome to Washington.
PS We have stripers up and down the West Coast. The oversized White Perch is not an exotic species to Northwest folks. More than a few of us have caught them in rivers and in the salt. In fact many years ago, I think it was a 66 pounder caught in Oregon. Anyways, welcome aboard and now you can loosen up your undies.
 
#25
I've I've I've had some 100 fish days (schoolies) on my five weight. Do you say that, or did you say, "I've fished with two buddies a few times, and we've hit over 100 fish in a day of fishing schoolies." Now what do you expect us to read into your statement? Note to self.......Voice in Head starts up again...."When bullshit artists from Maine start throwing around fish counts always assume that "I've" really means me and two other guys." How could Kerry and me be so stupid? Everyone in Maine really means "me and two other guys" when they say "I've had some 100 fish days on my five weight!" Now when you go fishing in Washington since you live there now, I means I and two other guys means me and two other guys. We keep it simple us know it alls. Tight lines and welcome to Washington.
Change I've had, to I've seen.....couldn't wait to jump on it, and call someone a liar could ya? The whole point was regarding the number of fish around. But you just want to lurk here, and pick people apart, ignoring the context of the discussion? Was my point about the health of the fishery, at the time, invalid? BTW.....you ever been to Maine........you obviously have a problem with people from Maine. I make a mistake and you start talking crap about the people from the whole state. The "bullshit artist" comment, is bullshit.
 

Ed Call

Well-Known Member
#26
Oh come on now. If you fished for 10 hours that would amount to 10 fish an hour and 6 minutes to land each one, with a 5 weight:rofl: I ain't buying it.
Hmmmm..... Voice in Head starts speaking..... "Message to self. Next time I feel like bullshitting someone, remember Kerry's blunt illustration that PNW fly-fishermen not only will check your story, but more importantly they can all count......Save bullshit stories for schoolie experts from East Coast, especially Maine..... Noted." :D Coach
From the title of this thread I did not expect to see exchanges like these! KerryS and Coach have me :rofl::rofl::rofl: again!
 

KerryS

Ignored Member
#27
Change I've had, to I've seen.....couldn't wait to jump on it, and call someone a liar could ya? The whole point was regarding the number of fish around. But you just want to lurk here, and pick people apart, ignoring the context of the discussion? Was my point about the health of the fishery, at the time, invalid? BTW.....you ever been to Maine........you obviously have a problem with people from Maine. I make a mistake and you start talking crap about the people from the whole state. The "bullshit artist" comment, is bullshit.
I guess if you want to get all bent out of shape because I had a hard time believing you caught 100 fish in day, do so. The deal is if we were sitting at the bar with a group of guys shooting the shit and you had made that same claim I and I expect several others would have called bullshit. Now, are you going to jump and start yelling at everyone saying crap like what you said above or are you going to say that there were 3 guys fishing that day and caught about a 100 fish between us. Get your balls down, no one is calling you a liar, just doubting you original story which was very easy to take the way we did.
 
#29
As funny as it is to bust nutz, I do not doubt that there is truth to the story.

It is a New England thing to count the fish in the boat without distinction of the rods in the water. I think it is a tradition that started with the commercial fishing industry. They do it with cod, haddock, stripers, blues, and tuna. In fact often times they make no distinction between cod or haddock and count them as one species. It is also the custom for the skippa to take the credit.

It took me 4 or 5 years to understand NE.
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r's do not exist except where they do not belong, in phrases like "ya'r' it is"
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Names of towns like Gloucester that is pronounced 'Glosta'

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