STEELHEAD COMING SOON!!!

Ringlee

Doesn't care how you fish Moderator
#48
Greed, Greed, and More Greed!

The MSC has not listed the Quinualt as a Sustainable fishery. His link to the MSC site lists nothing on Steelhead in our region. A search of this site mentions nothing on Washington Steelhead fisheries. Yes the Alaska fisheries are sustainable because of PROPER management by ADFG.

The part that infuriates me is the fact he says that these fish don’t warrant any protection. Take a look at the list. It is one of the few that isn’t threatened or endangered. Just because it isn’t listed, doesn’t mean it is a healthy fishery! “Not Warranted” is not a good term as he implies.
I am sending an email to Him, The Chef, and the MSC.

Watch out...idiot quote below------

Jim Chambers on December 17th, 2008 3:40 pm

Steelhead, like the other members of the salmon family, return to spawn in the river/stream where they began life. From a population perspective, each river system is considered (under regulations implementiung the Endangered Species Act) to be a separate evolutionary unit or the management equivalent of a separate species. Thus, if one river system’s steelhead are being maintained in a healthy condition, as is the case of the Quinault River steelhead, it has no bearing on what is happening to steelhead from other river systems since they don’t interbreed. Information on http://www.FishBase.org indicates that steelhead (actually a sea-run rainbow trout) have been introduced worldwide.

Washington state biologists responsible for steelhead population assessment and management (Washington state fishery management branch) consider the Quinault population to be healthy and the fishery to be sustainable and well managed. The federal agencies (NMFS and FWS) responible for decisions on Endangered Species Act listings, classify the Olympic Peninsula’s populations of wild steelhead as “not warrented” (for ESA listing). The link to the federal status listing of West Coast salmonids is: http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/ESA-Salmon-Listings/upload/snapshot0208.pdf

Prime Seafood supplies restaurants with seafood only from sustainably managed fisheries, such as the Quinault fishery, and we advocate for seafood consumers and chefs to do likewise.

We also provide our chefs with king and coho salmon from the Quinault River as well as from Alaska, all of whose populations have been certified as “sustainable” by the international Marine Stewardship Council (www.msc.org).

Jim Chambers
Prime Seafood

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Now here's the guy we need to get to change his opinion. This paragraph above reeks of the same type of logic as the guy on the "Red Gold" video who's the COO of Northern Dynasty, who flat denies the ability of the open pit mine to ruin the ecosystem

Someone like Salma G, Jeremy Floyd, Eric Tarcha, anyone that has the scientific know how to drop some knowledge on this dude....he's the one you need to change

Good on the chef for making his own mind up
 
#50
more info on mr. chambers:

Jim Chambers is a fisheries ecologist with three decades of public service with the federal government, including 23 years with NMFS headquarters. In its Highly Migratory Species Management Division for his final three years, he was responsible for Atlantic swordfish and billfish. At great personal cost, he exposed the truth about the effects of industrial-scale commercial fishing, which has been condoned by NMFS, on populations of Atlantic swordfish, blue marlin, white marlin, sailfish, bluefin tuna and other species caught on longlines, drift gillnets and purse seines. NMFS' leadership responded by "putting him in a closet." So he took an early retirement at the end of 1997. However, the information he developed there is being used throughout the recreational and conservation communities as the basis for campaigns to ban longlines from all U.S. waters and for boycotts to remove swordfish from restaurants and supermarkets. He formed and directs Chambers and Associates, a scientific consulting firm specializing in the conservation of marine fish and their essential habitats. Its clients have included leading organizations in both the recreational fishing and conservation communities. He also founded and manages Prime Seafood (http://www.PrimeSeafood.com), a wholesale seafood company which since 2004 has supplied top quality seafood (only from sustainable sources) to about 70 high end restaurants in the Washington D.C. area, and starting in 2008 to about 50 restaurants in Atlanta and the golf resort areas located throughout coastal Georgia. He can be reached by phone at xxx-xxx-xxxx or by e-mail at jim@PrimeSeafood.com.

Kind of crazy that he is this passionate about other fish species yet neglects to recognize the PNW wild steelhead as endangered...

it is amazing what you can find on the internet.
 

Zen Piscator

Supporting wild steelhead, gravel to gravel.
#51
I spoke to him today on the phone, he was just sitting down for dinner but seemed open to talking. I'm going to call him back tomorrow. I'd like to figure out how important it is that he sells wild steelhead and if there is a more sustainable option like using wild-reared hatchery fish.

I have no problem with eating wild seafood if it is sustainable but any take of wild steelhead is not sustainable.
 

Smalma

Active Member
#52
Jeremy -
I think you mis-understand what I was saying - My reference to the "tip of the iceberg" was referring to the Chambers/prime seafood as only the tip of the restaurant trade that is a major driving the steelhead market.

Zen -
I understand your zeal; however from your comment " any take of wild steelhead is not sustainable" am I to assume that you have stopped steelhead fishing? CnR or WSR fisheries result in a wild steelhead take - just ask the feds.

Tight lines
Curt
 

Stonefish

Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater
#54
Watch out...idiot quote below------

Jim Chambers on December 17th, 2008 3:40 pm

Steelhead, like the other members of the salmon family, return to spawn in the river/stream where they began life. From a population perspective, each river system is considered (under regulations implementiung the Endangered Species Act) to be a separate evolutionary unit or the management equivalent of a separate species. Thus, if one river system’s steelhead are being maintained in a healthy condition, as is the case of the Quinault River steelhead, it has no bearing on what is happening to steelhead from other river systems since they don’t interbreed. Information on http://www.FishBase.org indicates that steelhead (actually a sea-run rainbow trout) have been introduced worldwide.

Washington state biologists responsible for steelhead population assessment and management (Washington state fishery management branch) consider the Quinault population to be healthy and the fishery to be sustainable and well managed. The federal agencies (NMFS and FWS) responible for decisions on Endangered Species Act listings, classify the Olympic Peninsula’s populations of wild steelhead as “not warrented” (for ESA listing). The link to the federal status listing of West Coast salmonids is: http://www.nwr.noaa.gov/ESA-Salmon-Listings/upload/snapshot0208.pdf

Prime Seafood supplies restaurants with seafood only from sustainably managed fisheries, such as the Quinault fishery, and we advocate for seafood consumers and chefs to do likewise.

We also provide our chefs with king and coho salmon from the Quinault River as well as from Alaska, all of whose populations have been certified as “sustainable” by the international Marine Stewardship Council (www.msc.org).

Jim Chambers
Prime Seafood

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Now here's the guy we need to get to change his opinion. This paragraph above reeks of the same type of logic as the guy on the "Red Gold" video who's the COO of Northern Dynasty, who flat denies the ability of the open pit mine to ruin the ecosystem

Someone like Salma G, Jeremy Floyd, Eric Tarcha, anyone that has the scientific know how to drop some knowledge on this dude....he's the one you need to change

Good on the chef for making his own mind up
Jim Chambers needs to understand that buying "Quinault" fish doesn't guarantee the fish came from the Quinault River. Last time I looked they net the hell out of the Queets and Chehalis systems as well as netting the Hump. Email sent.
 
#55
Wow, looks like we need to stay on Mr. Chambers - for someone with his record it does not add up that he believes OP wild steelhead are a sustainable fishery..

Ringlee - take it easy on your email to the chef - he's already stated that he is removing wild Steelhead from the menu. He even had the decency to post our complaints on his blog. Seems like stand up guy.
 
#56
Gentlemen:

I give Kudos to all that have spent the time to write letters to those who are miss informed.
:beer2:

In addition, it might be a good idea to send your e-mails to all of the tribal leaders involved.

I think they also need to be informed of this situation their members are creating.

Hopefully they are not turning a blind eye to their harvesting practices.

If enough people respond they might think twice about how bad this looks on them...

Richard
 
#57
Speaking of tip of the iceburg.. I don't know if this was posted before and I missed it, but the restaurant in question is far from the only one Mr. Chambers is supplying in the DC area:

from http://blog.visionsbethesda.com/2008/12/03/steelhead-coming-soon/

"Wild steelhead will soon be available routinely at a number of popular restaurants in the Washington D.C. area, including:

Marcel’s, Blue Duck, Cashion’s, Nora’s, Firefly, Poste, Proof, Zaytinya, D’Acqua, indebleu, Johnny’s Half Shell, Agraria, Hook, Mendocino, Pesce, Mark & Orlando’s, Urbana, Kaz Sushi Bistro, Ritz (Pentagon City), Corduroy, Saint-Ex, Circle Bistro, 2941, Dino’s, Ardeo, Chevy Chase Club, Jackie’s, Rock Creek at Mazza Gallerie, Monte Carlo, Cesco, Visions, Black’s and Assaggi."

Jim Chambers

www.PrimeSeafood.com

301-949-xxxx
 

Ringlee

Doesn't care how you fish Moderator
#58
Wow, looks like we need to stay on Mr. Chambers - for someone with his record it does not add up that he believes OP wild steelhead are a sustainable fishery..

Ringlee - take it easy on your email to the chef - he's already stated that he is removing wild Steelhead from the menu. He even had the decency to post our complaints on his blog. Seems like stand up guy.
Herl,
I looked at the blog and Responded. Here are the 2 posts from the blog. I gave Jim the brunt since he wrote the article and is continuing to stand by his false statements...


POST #1
ChefTony,

Thank you! This decision will pay off for You, Your Customers and the Fish. I encourage you to advertise and educate your customers about this issue. I am sure that this will pay off for your business.

Thank you again,


POST #2

Jim,

You mention that MSC has declared that the Quinault Fisheries are Sustainable.

The MSC website fails to mention ANYTHING on these Fisheries and there Sustainability. They list out 38 Sustainable Fisheries throughout the world on their Website. I have linked the Pacific region that would include the Quinault fishery if it were listed.

http://www.msc.org/track-a-fishery/certified/pacific

I have contacted the MSC to inquire further on the listing of this fishery.

The Quinault Tribe has rights to fish the Quinault, Queets, Humptulips, and Chehalis rivers. Can you guarantee all the fish you sell come from the Quinault River? You have failed to mention if any of these rivers have sustainable fisheries.

According to Ann Blakley from Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife, The Lower Quinault River Steelhead run was considered Depressed in 2006.

I have an intimate knowledge of these beautiful rivers. I caught my first Steelhead on the Quinault river when I was 9 years old. I have fished extensively throughout the Quinault Reservation and understand this fishery.
 

Bob Triggs

Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!
#59
You guys are fantastic: in less than 24 hours things are beginning to change with this situation. Kudos to all who are working on this in an educated and factual way.

But as Curt so aptly pointed out: It is the tip of the iceberg". So not only does Mr Chambers need to be educated about the plight of our Wild Steelhead, but so does that entire list of his Prime Seafood customers (as noted in the above posts) who are waiting for delivery of fresh caught Wild Steelhead from the Olympic Peninsula coastal rivers.

A question for all of us here at home to ponder; if the fish in question are being harvested legally by the tribes, and also being sold legally, What are the tribes alternative to this income? How will it affect the tribes to have this income reduced or lost? What can be offered in return? Are we willing to reduce our impacts upon these fish as well? In other words: what is in it for them to stop this behavior?
 
#60
Pfft! Silly NIMBYs! Just picture a meal composed of the below!

Federal Endangered Species Found In Maryland:
PLANTS
Harperella
Swamp Pink
Sandplain Gerardia
Canby s Dropwort
Sensitive Joint-Vetch
Northeastern Bulrush
MAMMALS
Indiana Bat
Delmarva Fox Squirrel
Eastern Cougar
INSECTS
Northeastern Beach Tiger Beetle
Puritan Tiger Beetle
BIRDS
Bald Eagle
Red-Cockaded Woodpecker
Arctic Peregrine Falcon
Piping Plover
REPTILES
Loggerhead Sea Turtle
Kemp's Ridley Sea Turtle
FISH
Maryland Darter
Shortnose Sturgeon
MOLLUSKS
Dwarf Wedge Mussel

...lemme tell ya, you ain't lived until you've had Joint-Vetch stuffed Darter!