Z-axis of shot guns??


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There are alot of great o/u in that price range starting with the Ruger red lablel probibly on the cheeper end starting at about $1400 and up to the 2k range for the Beretta's and the Weatherbys, the more you pay the nicer looking the gun will be. But really I highly advise either shooting multiple diffrent models or at least go to the gun store and pull the gun up multiple times as if you were drawing on a bird (full speed) and see which one fits your style more naturally. Also the 12ga is completely overrated I've been hunting a 20ga for 18 years and it is more than efficent at knocking down ANY WILD UPLAND BIRD. Also its a little easier on your sholder if your planning on shooting a couple hundred rounds a day at the range. The 28ga is also a great choice and alot less weight than a 12ga when your walking your ass off up and down hills chasing chukar.
I shoot the Silver Pigeon 3 Beretta in 12g which is a great gun.
How tall are you?
That might seem a daft question but i remember being told that Brownings suit people over
5' 10'' and Beretta under that height.
My son is 6' 2'' and handles his Browning Citori well but my Beretta is just a little too short in the stock.
Also, take a look down the stock from the barrel end to see if there is a cast off left or right, there shouldn't really be in a factory built gun but some do have some cast that can ruin things for you.
Gun fit is the best advice i can give you and iff possible try the gun ouit on some clays beforehand.


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I wont endorse a manufacturor but place a couple observations in liu.

For an all around upland field gun I prefer a 20 gauge with 3" chambers. You'll be shooting 2 3/4" 90+% of the time but the option is available to step up the shot charge if needed. There is a great selection of 2 3/4" factory ammo 3/4, 7/8, & 1 ounce. Hit the clays range or the field with confidence.

Watch the frame size. Some models/manufacturors use the same heavy [12 ga] frame for ALL gauges, creating uneccessary bulk & weight in what should be lighter & sleeker guns.

Screw in chokes are a MUST HAVE.

Put some thought into your barrel length choice. 26" minimum, my personal preference is for 28" on field guns. If your tall or spend alot of time shooting clays 30" is viable. Consdider that due to recievers a two barrel gun will be shorter overall than an auto or pump with same length barells. 28" on an O/U will be close to same overall length as auto W/ 26"

If possible check for a good fit with several guns of your choice brand/model. Their all different, look down the rib of enough of them you'll come across one thats much more suited to you than others were. Saves the money and headache of having custom fitting/stock work done later.

Good luck..... SG
Beretta 687 is my choice. I own a 12, 20 & 28. The Citori is nice, and I have hunted many times with one, but is much heavier and the action is bulkier. This isn't so much of an issue for field guns because they aren't shot as much, but in competition guns you will get much more life from a Beretta then the Citori based on the action lock design. The 687 is locked at the top of the action where it has leverage, the Citori is locked lower. It is like holding a door shut at the handle or at the hinge. After a few thousand rounds the Citori will fall open like a jack in the box. Like I said, this does not really apply to field guns since they are not shot that much, but they are packed for many miles, so look closely at weight. Also, Ruger makes many quality products for the money, but IMO the Red Label is not comparable to a Browning or Beretta.
I'm new to upland hunting and looking to invest in a decent 12 ga. I'm looking for a shotgun that's akin to the Sage Z-axis (or XP) of fly rods. In other words high end main stream, but nothing fancy. Would a Browing Citori 625 Field be akin to the Z-axis? What about the Fausti guns that Cabelas now carries? Your help is much appreciated.
A true name dropping yuppie. :rofl:
Comparing fly rods to shotguns now thats funny.

I would get a good over and under 12 or 20 gauge.


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dont buy a 12 gauge if all you are going to do is upland bird hunt. Get a 20 or 28 gague
I am partial to berettas but I also have a browning citori.
I have to agree. I have shot more ducks, geese, pheasants, chukars and quail with a twenty gauge Browning Citori than any other gun I have owned by far, its a great gun. I also have a newly aquired (4 years ago) Beretta 686 in a twelve gauge with thirty inch barrels that like so much I may have difficulty going back to a Browning. The twelve gauge is as versatile as it gets in regards to shotshell variety and availabilty. The twenty sure is a lot lighter to carry all day for for a serious upland hunter. I think its probably really hard to get a bad gun in your price range or anything that is above $1400.00.

I'm not a fan of Browning in general. They feel unrefined and bulky to me.I'm partial to Beretta and shot a 12 gauge Beretta Ultralight Deluxe for upland birds. It's extremely light, very quick and it looks pretty nice, too.

If you want to put your hands on a lot of shotguns, you really can't beat the selection at Cabela's. Much like fly rods, no matter how expensive the shotgun is, if it doesn't feel right to you or doesn't fit you, you won't shoot very well.

Also, since you're new to upland hunting- save money on your shotgun and splurge on a dog. Given the choice, I'd rather hunt behind a great dog than shoot a great gun.

Good luck.


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.....Also, since you're new to upland hunting- save money on your shotgun and splurge on a dog. Given the choice, I'd rather hunt behind a great dog and shoot a great gun.

Good luck.
Excellent advice! I would rather hunt a cheap shotgun or even throw stones at flushed birds behind a good dog than hunt with a $40,000.00 gun without a dog or worse yet a bad dog.



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Fit is everything.
Go to a real gun shop and try to avoid the mall ninja behind the counter.
Maybe to to a trap and skeet range and see if an instructor can help.
Then think about dropping 2500 on an OU.
There are lots of nice pieces out there.
FYI, I hunt with an autoloader and I don't mind getting it wet or scratched.
I would cry if the same happened to my new OU.
Just something to think about.


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I guess my name says it all. I have a Citori 12 ga. and a Ruger Red Label 28 ga. I would recommend both. I love my old Browning A5 as well. I have a light 12, and it never let me down. A Citori is hard to beat.

Leroy Laviolet

Aint no nookie like chinookie
In short, the shotgun is like a fly rod... Many are great and capable, but most feal different to different folks...
I went through your situation last year. Was willing to go as high as a Beretta silver pigeon.
Ended up with a ruger red label not because of price , it simply fit me the best and felt the best to me- Many are good, get what feals best to you, and you'll be happy- Go to a gun store with all the ones you are thinking about and throw them up a few times, then do it again the next day befor you decide...


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as a long time shotgunner, 28ga for upland birds choked IC/IC. this is 1/8 oz less shot than the 20ga and a great deal lighter and way more fun to use frequently. i prefer the O/U over other actions for upland.

best thing is to go shoot some at a skeet range to see which stocks fit the best. there is a world of difference in the combs of these off the shelf units. length of pull can easily be accomodated by a competent gun smith.
GT - I have to disagree with you on the 12 gauge thing. I parred my collection down to all 12 gauges some time ago. I have English 2" and 2.5" guns that are as light as any sub-gauge gun. And since you are pushing the shot through a less constricted opening, you can realize much better patterns. The only time that I shoot 2 3/4" loads is on waterfowl.

As far as off the shelf 12 gauges within a $2,500 price range, you can attain a low to mid 6 pound range and shoot 1 1/8 ounce, 1 ounce, or even 7/8 ounce loads with these. This will allow you to attain classic game gun shot / weight proportions of the gun weighing 96 times its designed shot load.

For anyone looking, this is also the time to buy used. There are a lot of great values out there. The $1K - $5K market is stagnant.


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"The Z-Axis of shotguns"?

Have you EVER heard anyone asking for "The Kreighoff of flyrods"?

That is dumb.

This thread should be given some sort of award...

Lacking that, I'm sure there is an inspirational poster that fits this situation.

Lemme see...ok, here it is.