Pictures of gear caught fish?

I can appreciate that approach Anil. For me personally, I don't own any rods that aren't fly rods and have no interest in them so I am more excited to see images and hear reports from like minded anglers. As I mentioned earlier, it isn't anything against how others choose to fish but when a specific community begins to become heavy with non specific, in this case fly angling, posts, I begin to turn my attentions elsewhere.
 
word, ultimately though all I care about is that guys are good stewards of the resource. I could care less how they fish as long as they aren't low holing me.
Yep I agree totally. I can't believe there are threats being made just because someone likes to fish. wow.

KLICKMAN
 

Ed Call

Well-Known Member
Everyone has a past. Everyone has a skeleton here or there.
I hope to have birthday cake with Coach Duff.
I like Gary Thompson's approach, Anil's approach and many others. Fish how you want. Judge who you want. Move on. Now thirteen pages, a very interesting and emotionally charged 13 pages.
 

Clint F

Fly Fishing Youth
The reason a bunch of us guides over here are racing to publisize Hawaiian Bonefishing is two fold. One is it's good business. Marketing is essential to a good business. Two is that an area where you and a bunch of other mainlanders like to fish by the airport is now being pushed to be re-dredged, gutted and turned into a super mall on the water. All three flats will disappear. That is not the only plan up on the board. The govenor backs it. We are racing to both get world awareness, Hawaiian awareness and some support for arguably the world's biggest bonefish. There is no legislation or support or conservation of any kind for these bones. Folks like you have been coming over for years, keeping it a secret, "using" the resource but not one peep has come out of your mouths to protect these fish. No one peep. Surround netting is still legal. It's time we changed that, and unfortunately we are going to have to get it spread around the state, the fishing industry, the tourism folks, and really to anyone who will listen. And of course you know that bones lay their eggs way out at sea and they drift in right? Any of the 13-14 species of bones could be wiped out in one catastrophe, perfect storm or trajedy, but the ocean's currents would repropogate the lost area with eggs that would drift in from somewhere else. Everywhere but here. Due to currents and isolation, if our main flats species Abula Glossodanta disappears, they are extinct forever. And I'm sure you knew that too right? We are now racing against time. Decades maybe, but instead of blaming other folks like your fucking misinformed ass did towards the "Washington and Oregon boats" who are "stealing" "Alaska's" fish, we do not blame, we are already working together to find a solution. How about that ignorant stupid assed comment boys and girls. You folks have been pimping the shit out of your resource to the highest bidder for decades and now it's starting to slide down the drain, and you blame it on Washington and Oregon? You my friend are a dumbass. In our case publicity is the fastest way to shake things up. I am not shooting a "video" that would just benefit me over here, and once again your gossip based tint is wrong, but we've come to expect idiocy from you haven't we? I am shooting a show based heavily on conservation with Tim Rajeff and LL Bean. I am also understanding of the native peoples and their distrust of change, of losing more of their rights and other issues. They have been robbed here in many ways. We need their support also and we are getting a very good reception from the indig folks. The O'io is worth protecting they say for tourism and for traditon. We will discuss that on the show also. We hope this also raises awareness for both local fisherpeople and on a world level. What do you do for Alaskan waters besides insult Washington and Oregon for stealing "Your" fish? I could just "use" the resource and fish like you do over here when you come to Hawaii, but I have taken the tougher role of conservationist and if I should be so lucky, educator. You just fly here, fish and go back home to salmon snagging land. But you wouldn't know all this sitting in Alaska running your mouth would you big fella? Share my PMs with the board. Read your horseshit and then read my response. Not too shocking when you look at the whole picture clown. If you were a big boy and out of diapers you would have addressed my PM on your own. But you calculated two things wrong. One is I was sober and 99% of the time am on this board. Flyfishing means something to me. And two is that I have no trouble being me, walking in my skin, and facing up to my actions. Those that know me, know that. Post my PM offering to knock you the fuck out wherever you want. That is Duff and love me or hate me that's what you get. Nobody on this site gives a shit. If you were from Washington and in the industry you would actually know me. And if you knew me you would know that I don't get in insult throwing contests. I take in the insult and then hit that fucker right in the mouth. Aloha and Mahalo and see you soon! Coach



PS And take your gear landed fish pics and shove them up your ass. That is what this is really about. This is Washington Flyfishing and being a manipulative little shit is not going to get the majority of the fellas to approve of your attempt to blur those boundaries. We fly fish. We don't need pukes like you trying to make that a bad thing, or perceiving us as elitist just because we like fly and fly only. Hell we love it enough where we admit going in we will usually catch less fish. You don't have that ability as an angler or guide and that is why you fish every kind of tackle known. In your case it's to cover your own shit talking ass. We have nothing against gear and lot of us fish gear, but this is a special site where fly is talked. We were asked if gear landed fish (steelhead seem to dominate) and when you percieved that you were going to lose that or that a group of honest guys said they don't give a shit about gear landed fish, you came unglued. This is a fly site and after all of your time in Hawaii and guiding the "fly" in Alaska you should have shitloads of pics to share right? After all every shop and outfitter in the PNW knows you are the guy right? With all the 25 - 50 fly shops in the PNW and all of the fly fishing guides in Alaska (I know a dozen good ones myself) how in the hell are you the "guy" when after 30 years I only heard about you on this site? And are you tossing spinning rods and jigs or squid over here for bones too? Unless the fly is really your backup "I only fish it when it's perfect" and then you don't have much to share, teach or discuss which would in turn fire up the young insecurities and the next thing you know you're tossing insults around and puffing out your bird chest...........:hmmm: See you soon Youngster and bring your very best. In the meantime go away and set up your snagging rigs for this season jack off.

Coach, That first paragraph taught me alot and I appriciate it. As for the third paragraph you couldnt have said it better. This will be my first summer guiding and I have a lot to learn ahead of me.

Clint
 
Coach, That first paragraph taught me alot and I appriciate it. As for the third paragraph you couldnt have said it better. This will be my first summer guiding and I have a lot to learn ahead of me.

Clint
Clint, yes there's a good lesson to learn from CD in his post if you're thinking about guiding but it's not the obvious one about conservation. Hope you're paying attention and good luck this summer. Guiding can be a blast.

JR
 
What a thread! Phew.

So I have no real problem with seeing an occasional gear caught fish on this site, but I can certainly understand why some people do. What I do have a problem with is the notion that it's all fishing, it doesn't matter how it's caught, why label it, its just for fun... blah blah blah.

It certainly is all just fishing, but if that's the case then why not just make this board WashingtonFishing.com, and lose the label? I sought this board out because it was FLY FISHING. It's a special type of fishing that I come here to discuss. I have nothing against other methods, I simply choose to fly fish because I think it's fun. Period.

I'm getting really sick and tired of people in this country getting all butt hurt when they are somehow excluded. It's perfectly fine to have a site dedicated to fly fishing and fly fishing only, and I just don't get the sense of posting pictures of gear caught fish. I agree with Salmo, that's just not logical. I wouldn't go to a Seattle Mariners forum and start discussing the Mets simply because "it's all baseball". That line of thinking baffles me.

Just my 2 cents after a few Crown Royals on a Friday night. The pictures don't offend me in any way, and I have nothing against gear fishing, but ultimately I just don't think this is the place for that stuff.

Nick
 
I joined this board to be able to talk about fly fishing. If you guys want to post or talk about other fishing styles, why not go to another board ... ? I mean, as many ppl said, this is washington FLY fishing, right ... ?
 

Jerry Daschofsky

Moderator
Staff member
Ok, one thing most people don't seem to grasp is this site ISN'T just flyfishing. The name may say one thing, but doesn't mean it's all flyfishing 24/7. There's nothing wrong with discussing other methods, etc. We have a hunting area, NFR topics. Hell, people talk about fishing OUTSIDE Washington state (no, not pointing at you Coach, I mean also topics about Idaho, OR, MT and beyond). Nothing wrong with diversity, as long as the board has it's focus.

Prime example, other board I work on is a specialty board. Steelheader.net. Guess what? We talk about salmon, sturgeon, beachcombing, cooking, etc. It's not just fishing for steelhead. It's like hanging with people and all you talk about is one thing. Even a hardcore person should have some other likes. Just focusing on one thing constantly can get boring fast. I enjoy Wadin' boots stories (though fishing related, it's a story not constructive fishing based matter). I enjoy Mingo's newest avatars. Love Old Man's rants.

Look outside the box a bit. Diversity is good. Of course it's flyfishing based. But nothing wrong with getting advice on other things. Alot of flyfisherman do fish gear occasionally. And, a fish is a fish. Though it may be caught on gear, nothing wrong with sharing a special moment in someones fishing career. There are alot of misc. pics on here that arent' flyfishing. I haven't heard crap about that yet. And I know, I'm a mod and I get the alerts if something is amiss. I posted pics up of my waffle irons. Nobody has alerted us about those non fishing pics on here. I'd say it doesn't belong by the "it's not flyfishing" angle alot on here are spouting.
 

Porter

Active Member
Right on Jerry...and what the hell about all the baseball and football threads? Damn music threads?..I think everyone here has participated on one of these non-fly fishing thread topics at one time or another.
 

BDD

Active Member
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Anil
The amount of time I have spent looking at the gallery compared to the discussion board would statistically be zero. But that might change if I knew there was a "hot girl" section.

I would never post a picture of a gear-caught fish on this site nor provide a report when using gear. For one, I don't know how to post pictures. :rofl:

Secondly, I understand this would not be the best place to do so, since its Washington Flyfishing, even though there would be plenty of anglers who would appreciate a nice picture of a nice fish regardless of the method used (even a gillnet). Do I care if others post non-fly caught fish here? Certainly not.

I exclusively flyfish for trout because I enjoy it the most and am typically more sucessful with that method than any other.

Do I feel the same for steelhead? No, because I have not reached the point in my life where I want to handicap myself with solely fishing a fly for steelhead. I need to see live steelhead in my life, whether caught by me, by someone else, or at a fish weir and want to give myself the best chance to see a steelhead. If I could consistently catch a couple of steelhead on every trip with the fly, then thats what I'd probably do. But since current steelhead numbers preclude that from occurring, I choose the best legal fishing technique that will give me the best chance of seeing a live steelhead. Sometimes that is flyfishing but more often than not, its gear fishing.
 
What I do have a problem with is the notion that it's all fishing, it doesn't matter how it's caught, why label it, its just for fun... blah blah blah.

It certainly is all just fishing, but if that's the case then why not just make this board WashingtonFishing.com, and lose the label? I sought this board out because it was FLY FISHING. It's a special type of fishing that I come here to discuss. I have nothing against other methods, I simply choose to fly fish because I think it's fun. Period.

I'm getting really sick and tired of people in this country getting all butt hurt when they are somehow excluded. It's perfectly fine to have a site dedicated to fly fishing and fly fishing only, and I just don't get the sense of posting pictures of gear caught fish. I agree with Salmo, that's just not logical. I wouldn't go to a Seattle Mariners forum and start discussing the Mets simply because "it's all baseball". That line of thinking baffles me.

Nick
iagree Good post.
 

Jerry Daschofsky

Moderator
Staff member
LOL, are you kidding me Razorjack and Jason? OMG, I'm rolling here. We do the comparsion you're talking about. You just have a BAD example. Having a Seattle Mariners board would be the same as WFF. Talking about the Mets would be like us talking about flyfishing in Montana, Oregon, etc. Now, if you'd said someone talking about the Seahawks, that would be closer to accurate (we could get alot closer to comparisons if we said one was NFL vs CFL, both football but games a bit different). But you get my point. Competing states. You hear guys talk about how much better fishing is in Montana over Washington. Washington may be your team and you love it, but they are probably right about trout fishing. You defend your "state" though you know as of now they have the better fishing season.

But, like I said. On my steelheading board, we've discussed rooster fish, marlin fishing, etc. Haven't heard a complaint one. I've seen NFR posts (PLAINLY non flyfishing) about cars, sports teams, etc. Why hasn't there been more of an uproar about that? Which, some people have when it gets to crowded with NFR's. But funny that some who bitch about gear pics etc have openly posted on NFR posts.
 
I'm kind of depressed by CD's last post. I was hoping to fish a couple of days with him in Hawaii on a stop over some time but I don't think I want to even be on the same Island with him .
iagree

I scrolled/read through 13 pages of this shit looking for pictures of a gear caught fish and... nothin'! Damn.:rolleyes: