Is hunting bad?

Jake Bannon

nymphs for steelhead....
#61
What about hunting? Where did religion come into play? I love to hunt, I love to eat the meat which is mainly the only reason I do it. My family will eat on average 5 or so deer a year with maybe a half an elk. For every one time I eat beef I will eat 4 or 5, maybe more meals made of venison. Point Im trying to make is my family lives off venison as far as meat goes, yes we do have a couple head mounts on our wall but we are anything but trophey hunters. Heck, out off the 10 deer Ive shot only 4 have been bucks. Speaking of which were running low on pheasant and quail, good thing I have two turkey tags for next month. :thumb:
I also love it when the odd person scoughs upon me killing animals, I also just tell them they are having someone else doing the dirty job for them...


Jake
 
#62
I guess I could believe evolution when the find the "missing link."

Read a little Stephen Jay Gould... Punctuated Equilibrium is the basic hypothesis he advocated (some issues about who actually first pinched the concept) and it explains neatly the lack of need for a missing link... Further, you confuse the concepts of primacy and development.

Evolution is fact: Verifiable, repeatable, obvious tests can be conducted to prove the mechanism. Origins are significantly harder to prove and requiring proof of both is not required to prove evolution.

Having read the Bible stem to stern I have to say the front half does not read quite like the back... If it is perfect, explain that. Then there is the little issue of the various books accepted by various denominations. For an inspired book (written just a hundred years or so after Christ) there is certainly much argument about what belongs in it. In Biology the first discoverer gets to name the critter. Yet the Catholic books of the Apocrypha were there first and remain in the Vulgate, but are rejected by the KJV and others.

For Divinely inspired and perfect versions the discussions seem noteworthy. Accepting a translation done late in the program and betting my life on its absolute accuracy seems close-minded.
YMMV
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Jerry Daschofsky

Moderator
Staff member
#63
Ok, ONE MORE TIME! Let's get back on track. Enough of the religion and back onto hunting discussion. THANK YOU! If you want to debate religion, do it through PM.
 
#65
Hunting is just as good/bad as fishing because of people who do/don't follow the rules.

Besides law, and the dumb few who break it, the only other factor that would determine hunting to be good or bad would be your own belief towards killing animals for food and sport.
 

Upton O

Blind hog fisherman
#66
Hap,
Thanks for your comment on my quote. I defer to you on the source I referred to. I wouldn't be surprised if my reference is incorrect. I apologize to the author's spirit for my misinformation.

I do really like the substance of the statement, it just speaks volumns to me.
 

colton rogers

wishin' i was fishin'
#67
well i have nothing to say, troutcather6 it looks like you have a fairly high majority saying that it is not bad to hunt. and im having venison burgers tonight:D
 

Ethan G.

I do science.. on fish..
#69
iagree How'd this thread get so off track? This board is for the most part secular, so go read the forum rules again, everyone.

Anyway, to the original question, I don't think anyone but PETA, vegans, and high school girls think hunting is detrimental to the environment. There's your answer.
 

Trent

Ugly member
#70
I don't think anyone but PETA, vegans, and high school girls think hunting is detrimental to the environment.
PETA, those guys scare the crap out of me. Greg Thomas warns, in Flyfisher's Guide to Washington, about fishing Dry Falls Lake and getting taken out by a PETA member with a 7mm.
 
#71
there is also a big difference between hunting and killing. hunting is skillful tracking, waiting and outsmarting the animal, killing is walking into the woods and taking whatever you can, even if it is a little fawn. i hope none of you have taken a fawn.
Yeah, I shot one once. Freaking pissed me off. Opening day of archery, first thing in the morning and I had to waste my antlerless bonus tag and a good arrow/broadhead on it. It was running around with one of its front legs half blown off. Freaking poachers must have gotten to to it the night before. I only got about 30 pounds of meat.

and yes, it was a legal kill in the State I was in.
 
#73
Hap,
Thanks for your comment on my quote. I defer to you on the source I referred to. I wouldn't be surprised if my reference is incorrect. I apologize to the author's spirit for my misinformation.

I do really like the substance of the statement, it just speaks volumns to me.
Upto
Gasset is probably the most quoted philosopher in pro-hunting great literature and "Meditations on Hunting" is still a great read.

Aldo wrote quite a bit about whacking and stacking at an early age and came to regret his part in the eventual extirpation of wolves across the West. That is about the only thing I disagree with him on. ;) Not the concept of killing them all, just that of making them truly unusual. It is an amazing thing to see how many animals a pack of wolves kills...
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Jerry Daschofsky

Moderator
Staff member
#75
Ok, PUH LEAZE no more even talking about religion. Never will go good. Especially Go Fish's last post. Just stirs things up. I'll start editing and deleting from this point forward. And next person to bash either way (pro or con religion) will get a spanking and tossed in the corner. Okie dokie????