Outcast vs. Dave Scadden vs. Buck's

Blue

Active Member
#31
All his boats now have the new valve. Reason being, you can pump them up with anything specially the LVM with out having to open them quickly close them. They are super easy. Maybe ordering a spare cap might not be a bad idea, but they are attached with a string. As long as you don't pull on the cap for any reason, they really shouldn't come off. I caught myself trying to lift the boat by the cap...learned quick to not do that.
Plus all the boats with the exception of the Traditional two pontoons are bladderless. Much stronger and no zippers to mess with.
 

Kent Lufkin

Remember when you could remember everything?
#35
All his boats now have the new valve. Reason being, you can pump them up with anything specially the LVM with out having to open them quickly close them. They are super easy. . . .
Huh? "Open them quickly to close them . . ."? What's THAT mean?

I've got HR valves on nearly all my inflatables (including Outcast, WM, Scadden and Maxxon) and I can inflate them all with any pump (including LVM, K-Pump and others) with the valve in the Closed position. When the chamber is full, I simply stop pumping and remove the pump. Since the valve is already in the Closed position, there's no air loss and no need to quickly close it from the Open position.

Try it yourself. You'll see how easy it is and why there's no need for some newfangled valve.

K
 

Rob Ast

Active Member
#36
Kent,

I think the only advantage of the new valve is that you don't have to stand there with your finger on the valve to deflate it. You can press them open then roll up the craft to expell all of the air more completely/quickly. Otherwise, it works the same as the older style.
 
#37
Kent, exactly what I was trying to get at when I asked Blue what the deal was. I've got the same pumps and valves you have and nothing could be easier! HR valves are bulletproof, between my raft and the raft you bought from Jim the valves have ZERO failures in a combined 16 years?! Rob, all you have to do is depress and twist the valve and it stays open.
 

Blue

Active Member
#38
You can pump HR's up with the valve closed, I have been doing it for years, but, it is slower and requires more power, not to mention with allot of pumps, that little hose adaptor.
You take a HR valve in the closed position and pump it up with a LVM. Now take that same LVM and pump up a Bravo valved boat. Allot faster.
I have been using HR valves for a very long time as well and like them too.
Dave did not switch to Bravo's to save money (because they are not cheaper than HR), but to save time. As already mentioned, the deflation feature is a dream specially when trying to pack up fast in a storm.

I can pump up my Renegade with a near dead small battery, but I cannot use same thing and pump up my X5, unless I open the HR valve.


They are just different guys, and it does take some getting use to, but they are great once you do.
 

Kent Lufkin

Remember when you could remember everything?
#39
Kent,

I think the only advantage of the new valve is that you don't have to stand there with your finger on the valve to deflate it. You can press them open then roll up the craft to expell all of the air more completely/quickly. Otherwise, it works the same as the older style.
Rob, we may well be talking about apples and oranges here, but the Halkey Roberts valves on all my inflatables already HAVE a twist feature that lets me switch from closed to open. To deflate, I simply twist to open and walk away while the chamber empties itself.

You can pump HR's up with the valve closed, I have been doing it for years, but, it is slower and requires more power, not to mention with allot of pumps, that little hose adaptor.
You take a HR valve in the closed position and pump it up with a LVM. Now take that same LVM and pump up a Bravo valved boat. Allot faster.
Since I don't have any experience with the Bravo valves you may very well be right. But I've never found my LVM to be 'slow' when inflating HR valves, I've never tried to use it on a near-dead battery, and I certainly don't need any adaptors to make any of my pumps work with the HR valves.

I'm in no hurry to rush out and buy all new inflatables because of a new valve that MIGHT let me inflate them a few seconds quicker. The Bravo valve sounds to me like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist (or if it does, it was dreamed up by someone's marketing department!) If it ain't broke, why fix it?

K
 

Blue

Active Member
#40
I am pretty sure 99% of the valves made have a quick air release. My first tube had tubes with a little cross valve. To release, you simple stuck the cap in it backwards. Then the Boston valves, then Summit, then the Halkey, and now Bravo.....just a valve. I have had slight difficulty pushing and turning my Halkey...frozen hands, or maybe just arthritis...but no way with the new valve. I could do this with no fingers.
New lighter, faster gear out there, why not the valves.
 
#42
Trout Master,

I just got a Pac900, and I'm interested in trolling motors. What kind of motor did you get? What amount of thrust? What size 12 V battery do you use? How do you mount the battery? What kind of rod holders did you use?
I'm anxious to get out on our Montana Rocky Mountain front lakes with this craft. Thanks!