Sandy Spey Clave

#46
Kim, if you'll excuse my choice of words, but for the sake of brevity, you are NOT at any level of 'risk' here. 'Sex' has nothing to do with it, the 'Greater We' take care of our own. Will some, on occasion, post something that makes me raise an eyebrow? On occasion, but that the exception 'That proves the Rule?'

"You/I/we may agree to disagree," but leave it at that. Want to take 'that to a different level?' Take it to PM's as 99% of us aren't the least bit interested in reading a 'pissing contest.'

Just my .02 cents.

Fred

fae
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#47
Kim,

Your message is a timely reminder, and I think you're being a good sport about it. I doubt anyone here wants to intimidate women to the point of not attending. I didn't attend Sandy last year when they first introduced the women's instruction sessions. The organizers are doing it again, so it must have gotten some positive feedback.

And it's fine to lurk if you want, but if you have something to say I hope you'll just hammer your keyboard and hit "reply."

Sg
 

Grayone

Fishin' to the end, Oc.P
#48
This will be the third year......lots-o-men and lots-o-women will attend on Friday. Never any issues that I have seen. Mark Bachman does this so women will not be intimidated. He has found it brings more women to the event. As far a having a mixed beginners day...I thought that the whole clave idea was to make all feel comfortable, it is a mixed beginners day.

We used to teach fly casting on my pond. We started with husband and wife combos. For the most part it did not work well. Women learn differently than men. Men know it all, women normally do what the instructor asks with no preconceived ideas. Men over power and women underpower. So we went to women only....it worked much better.
None of the above is meant to slight women. I raised two daughters that are very sucessfull at what they do. I have coached girls in two differnt sports.
Kim, you are welcome anytime on any stream that I am on.
 
#49
No ill-will or pissing contest was intended on my part. My intent was simply to point out that there are occassionally things that get posted on this forum that many guys don't realize can be offensive to women. I was simply seizing what seemed like a teachable-moment. (Maybe I just lurked too long, and my hackles got ruffled a bit too emphatically.) The Sandy Clave is a great event and I appreciate everyone who contributes and participates to make it happen. Thanks for the discussion. I'll see y'all there.

Peace,
--KIM--
 

SpeySpaz

still an authority on nothing
#50
I'll be there, showing solidarity with my sistahs. Busting the long string.
I'll be the ugly dude in a blue kilt. Pardon the knobby knees. And the poor accessorizing. I don't know shyte. But if you can cast, you're my sistah.
 
#51
No ill-will or pissing contest was intended on my part. My intent was simply to point out that there are occassionally things that get posted on this forum that many guys don't realize can be offensive to women. I was simply seizing what seemed like a teachable-moment. (Maybe I just lurked too long, and my hackles got ruffled a bit too emphatically.) The Sandy Clave is a great event and I appreciate everyone who contributes and participates to make it happen. Thanks for the discussion. I'll see y'all there.

Peace,
--KIM--
Shalom. (Hope I spelled that right.)

For the Fora's context, I,and Bob Larsell, dreamed this one up: Sandy River Spey 'Clave (bye the bye the proper spelling is 'Clave as it's a word contraction). (No kidding, you can easily look that one up .. look at Mark's 2005 notes and you'll see a short background.)

The full word is "Conclave," or a gathering if you will.

"Who" would attend was never even a passing thought for either of us; we are a group of dedicated fisher/men-women with really long rods in our hands. Sooo, he/she can launch a line 20 yards further? Does anyone really care if the fish are sitting half that distance from your toes?

Just thoughts from an old guy.
:>)
 
#52
So with the free casting clinic on Friday. Is that a women only thing? Or will I get looked at funny if I bring my waders and rod to try and learn more about my casting?? fishing?? Thanks please feel free to PM if you wish
 
#53
Friday, as I understand it, really is oriented toward the ladies. I'm sure there's no problem if the guys want to sit on the beach and observe. All the Friday instructors will be well known lady casters. Idea (I suspect) is to get more women involved in the sport.

A good thing I think.

fae
 
#55
by reading that link it says nothing about women only so I plan on bringing the rod and wades and stuff. I really would like to learn and don't have the money for a lesson or two. seems like a good chance to learn. It is the only reason I am planing on taking the day off of work. If it will be frowned on then I'll work .
 
#56
Just work, take the money you make for the day...the money you are willing to give up... and sign up for one of the Fly Shop's Spey casting classes. The classes will be more one on one and you'll have more face time with the instructor. They also do hourly spey casting lessons have a 4hr min I think, check their website for details on the class or lessons.
 
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golfman65

Guest
#57
Is everyone camping or any staying in hotels? I'm being scolded for not going so think it's time to head down but will not camp...good chance to take off to salem for the evening and see my youngest at school as well..

Cool to be there Sat. and Sun. or is one day enough?
 
#58
I was there once, a decade or so ago. Driving out from Portland, I remember it as rural terrain, without facilities. Portland may be the closest hotels/motels/restaurants.
 
#60
by reading that link it says nothing about women only so I plan on bringing the rod and wades and stuff. I really would like to learn and don't have the money for a lesson or two. seems like a good chance to learn. It is the only reason I am planing on taking the day off of work. If it will be frowned on then I'll work .
Friday is 'Ladies Day,' Sat/Sun are for 'everyone.' And not to worry about learning how to cast a two-hander. If you ask, you'll have/get a ton of free lessons for the assembled group of 'Good Guys.' As for fishing at Oxbow Park the best place (personal opinion here) is at the top end of the Park just above the boat launch. (Bye the bye, from the main gathering place to the boat launch is quite a hike. Oxbow is one damned big Park.

As for 'food,' it appears that ONLY Friday morning doesn't have breakfast/lunch/dinner provided by one Sponsor or another.

As for 'housing' Mark's got a special deal (see flyfishusa's web site for contact info) going with some hotel. Don't know what the 'rack rate' will be, but it would be better than what you'd get if you just called in and made a reservation.
fae