JoePa

Go Fish

Language, its a virus
"Shortsightedness"! You don't get it. It's not about his football win-loss record. It's about what he did for hundreds of young men.
"Shortsightedness" You don't get it, It's not about football win-loss records,
It's about what he allowed to be done to dozens of young boys.
Rape.....lives destroyed..
Football is a great sport, but like all it can be
sullied by pretenders more worried about a legacy
than reality.
 

dflett68

Active Member
"Shortsightedness"! You don't get it. It's not about his football win-loss record. It's about what he did for hundreds of young men. His statue stood for what the man did for kids not for football.
i can sympathize that your loyalty to this person is tied up in your feelings about what he did for "young men" and "kids". but what puts the ultimate footnote on his legacy is what he did NOT do for young men and kids. maybe we are more alike than not.
 
I didn't know that this joepa guy was a fly fisherman?
Hey, earlier talk about "pellet" flies reminded me of the days when we would fish the pools on a stream where the hatchery truck had dumped its load. We would throw a handful of small pebbles into the pool and when all the trout went into a feeding frenzy we'd chuck our flies in the middle.
Fun stuff.
 
Just curious how a relativly fit adult man can walk in on an old man raping a kid in a shower and somehow that rapist doesn't leave the situation stuffed in a f-ing Centre County body bag? I honestly don't think I know one man who wouldn't have smashed that guys head off of the floor until it blew apart like a balloon full of cherry jello.
 

Lugan

Joe Streamer
Depravities, shirked responsibilities, and fallen idols aside, I'm sure you've all read about the steep penalties the NCAA applied to Penn State today. I must say, I have very mixed feelings about the penalties because they will punish innocent students and athletes who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Seems like the "leadership" (term used in the loosest possible context) including the board of trustees should take the overwhelming brunt of this.
 

kmac

Active Member
Don't blame "student athletics" for this. Read your local paper and you will see child abuse at all levels of our society. Kennewick HS had the namesake on it's new music hall arrested for abusing kids should we blame "band programs" for that whacko? It is the aproved alone time that gives the power these guys have over the children.

Don't let your kid be alone in private areas with an adult. You make the rules.
That's absolutely correct. and teach your kids to avoid those situations. As a scout leader the rules are the kids are NEVER allowed to be with less than 2 leaders.
 
Depravities, shirked responsibilities, and fallen idols aside, I'm sure you've all read about the steep penalties the NCAA applied to Penn State today. I must say, I have very mixed feelings about the penalties because they will punish innocent students and athletes who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Seems like the "leadership" (term used in the loosest possible context) including the board of trustees should take the overwhelming brunt of this.
I too thought of this and the students... One thing that the NCAA did do is allow any of the athletes to transfer without penalty or to use the scholorship to complete their education and not have to play football. The athletic program as a whole will suffer forever for these misdeeds.
jesse
 

Brian Miller

Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting Cutthwoat Twout
I don't care about the cover up or if Paterno
was involved in it.
I do care that a coach saw the deed, and did nothing
but report it to Paterno, who did nothing and reported
it to the AD who did nothing, who told the University
President and did nothing. Cover up? The lack of any action
by these so called leaders is dispicable. No hate here just
revulsion and disgust.
Just curious how a relativly fit adult man can walk in on an old man raping a kid in a shower and somehow that rapist doesn't leave the situation stuffed in a f-ing Centre County body bag? I honestly don't think I know one man who wouldn't have smashed that guys head off of the floor until it blew apart like a balloon full of cherry jello.
+2
 

Davy

Active Member
Just curious how a relativly fit adult man can walk in on an old man raping a kid in a shower and somehow that rapist doesn't leave the situation stuffed in a f-ing Centre County body bag? I honestly don't think I know one man who wouldn't have smashed that guys head off of the floor until it blew apart like a balloon full of cherry jello.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 

FT

Active Member
joepa,

It is refreshing to read that someone else actually took the time to read Freeh's report and saw exactly what I did, that there was no real evidence that Paterno was involved in a cover-up. But that there is (and was listed in Freeh's report) plenty of evidence the Curley was involved in covering things up all the way to his eyebrows.

Go fish and others,

Heck, yesterday the Chairman of the Penn State Board of Directors said (admitted would be the better term) that "Freeh's report was admittedly one-sided and flawed". He then went on to say that firing Paterno and removing his statue was the "best course for the university to take in order to get this behind and get on with the business of education". If this isn't an admission that the Board took the actions it did in order to make the Sandusky affair go away quickly, even if it meant that Paterno had his character asassinated while doing so, so be it. And as for what the NCAA did, if their actions weren't designed to send a message to the media, other school, and anyone else that the NCAA will come down very hard on any school and cause the removal of games won by that school if something involving kids happens, then none of us have posted a thing on this thread.

Also keep in mind that McQuerry, the then grad assistent who walked in on Sandusky didn't tell Paterno exactly what he saw. In McQuerry's testimony to the Grand Jury he said he told Paterno that "he saw Sandusky in the shower with a boy and was hugging the boy." Paterno didn't just tell this to the Athletic Director, who was his boss as he was required by policy to do, Paterno also told this to the VP in charge of the campus police force. Why is he being crucified for not telling law enforcement when he in fact told the chief of police?

As has been reported and mentioned many times herein this thread by myself and a few others, Paterno reported what he was told. Paterno wasn't told by McQuerry that Sandusky was sodomizing a boy, instead he was told by McQuerry that Sandusky was in the shower hugging a boy, which is what Paterno reported to the Athletic Director and the VP in charge of campus police. Paterno wasn't charged with a crime by the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury found no fault in what Paterno did because he did what he was supposed to do by University policy (i.e. report what McQuerry told his to his boss, the Athletic Director) and did what was legally required by reporting it to the VP in charge of campus police (i.e. he reported it to the chief of police). The Grand Jury charged Curley, former President Spanier, and the VP in charge of campus police with multiple crimes, for which they have upcoming trials.

Yet despite these facts, the media and I dare say, many others have decided without any evidence whatsoever that Paterno was guilty and that he and his family should pay for Sandusky's crimes. I hope this isn't too strong as far as language, but What a crock! This is tatamount to saying that the manager of the movie theater in Aurora, CO was guilty and responsible for the dude that shot and killed of wounded all those folks at the Batman showing last Friday. Or that the mayor of Aurora shares in the guilt and should be held responsible somehow for this man's crimes because he didn't have the police stop it before the dude killed 12 and wounded 50 some other people.
 

The T.O. Show

Buenos Hatches Ese
Sweet thread dredge...

Saw that coming though... Top down cover up from the get go, big surprise, not....

Edit: However, I'm sure the Joe Pa fan club will still cook up a way to defend him and discredit the victims.
 
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freestoneangler

Not to be confused with Freestone
What a sad day for college football. Sounds like Joe took the easy path and simply reported what was reported to him to his next level of management. Technically nothing wrong with that and one might argue that is the proper thing to do based on hearsay information of a crime. But many will say he should have contacted the police after realizing his management took no immediate action.

Maybe we don't have the facts, a part of me hopes so as I hate to see Joe go out like this :(
Really disappointed in Joe... what I had hoped was not the case.
 

FT

Active Member
I find myself not being able to let this crap get by without pointing out some obvious problems with this "news" from ESPN. And yes I know I will accused of being a member of the Joe Pa club who doesn't care about the facts. But here are some inconvenient facts right out of this article from ESPN:

Penn State has paid out millions to supposed victims and as this "news" report states, has done so without due diligence of checking out the claims of folks who claim they were victims likely to just make them go away and prevent further negative speculation or media hype. It is also quite interesting to me that some of the folks who are claimed by "victims" to have witnessed things are now dead so the "victim's" stories/claims cannot be countered. And as is reported in this story by ESPN, folks who were there at the time said the things "reported" by these victim claimants don't match with the facts of the time.

Yet despite these issues/problems, this story gets put out there by ESPN as if it there are verified facts, which they are not.

I still find it interesting that the Centre County prosecutor who even Paterno spoke to about things he heard about Sandusky in 2001 did not file charges after his investigation. Yet this fact is conviently left out of "news reports" like this piece from ESPN. Why? And why did Pennsylvania Attorney General officials and state police claim that they couldn't find this former Centre County prosecutor, or release the records of his findings that led him to not file charges in 2001.

Plus, if you read Freah's report, like I have, you will see he decided Paterno was involved in covering it up based on a single email string between the Athletic Director and VP in charge of campus police wherein the VP asked if "Coach was OK with the proposal". This is hardly evidence. But despite this, Freah decided on the basis of that one part of an email chain that it was Paterno they were talking about despite the rest of the email chain obviously being devoted to Sandusky and what the two of them should do to contain it.

Oh and just because I'm sure someone will point out that Paterno said he regretted not doing something more than reporting it to the Athletic Director and VP of campus police (ie the police chief) as proof that he knew he shouldn't have just followed policy and protocol. But that is taking his words out of context, this comment was in the context of a question he was asked about whether in retrospect he thought he could have done something more. But when you already tell the chief of police what you were told and you grew up in an era where when the chief of police is informed, something happens and also tell the Athletic Director who was the person that gave Sandusky permission to use the football facilities, who else do you tell?