JoePa

#91
Many here seem so confident with their opinions but there is still so much that isn't firmly known at this point. If all Grand Jury work was 100% watertight, everyone subject to them would be convicted and that's just not the case. it wouldn't surprise me in the least if some of those involved here, who have already been tarred and feathered in public opinion by a hyper-speed march to judgement by the media and others, get a different review once the deliberations from the pending court case and other investigations are made public. The Duke Lacrosse Players case is a marquee example of zealous run to judgement without the facts. We'll see what ultimately happens here when all is said and done.
 
#92
Many here seem so confident with their opinions but there is still so much that isn't firmly known at this point. If all Grand Jury work was 100% watertight, everyone subject to them would be convicted and that's just not the case. it wouldn't surprise me in the least if some of those involved here, who have already been tarred and feathered in public opinion by a hyper-speed march to judgement by the media and others, get a different review once the deliberations from the pending court case and other investigations are made public. The Duke Lacrosse Players case is a marquee example of zealous run to judgement without the facts. We'll see what ultimately happens here when all is said and done.
Sorry, but the Duke case is hardly a parallel. There you have a single "victim" with an agenda and a pretty wacko history of similar events and here you have a large group of victims, at least two eye witnesses and a long period of time in which reports of the crime never made the light of day.

I am usually the first to say don't rush to judgement but the facts as presented here are really quite damning.

The entire thing is utterly sickening.
 
#93
Many here seem so confident with their opinions but there is still so much that isn't firmly known at this point. If all Grand Jury work was 100% watertight, everyone subject to them would be convicted and that's just not the case. it wouldn't surprise me in the least if some of those involved here, who have already been tarred and feathered in public opinion by a hyper-speed march to judgement by the media and others, get a different review once the deliberations from the pending court case and other investigations are made public. The Duke Lacrosse Players case is a marquee example of zealous run to judgement without the facts. We'll see what ultimately happens here when all is said and done.
Unless the Grand Jury report is a total work of fiction (which I don't believe), here's what we do know.

1. Sandusky was sexually molesting little boys.
2. Several adults knew about this and did nothing to stop it.
3. It went on for years because no one who knew had balls enough to stand up and say to hell with Penn States reputation, I'm going to do whatever it takes to help those boys.
4. As a result of that inaction other little boys were victimized.

What else do you need to know? That's enough for me.
 
#94
I didn't say Sandusky isn't guilt nor did I say others won't be found at fault but everyone in the least bit involved has already been all but convicted in public opinion. I merely said what's out in public at present and the truth MAY be quite different. I'm also not saying the Duke Lacrosse case exactly mirrors this case either but that case ended drastically different than how it started. But I'm glad you guys are so certain as to what exactly happened in this case and can measure out the proper punishment at this point in time. I'm not there yet.
 
#95
I suspect the scope of this offender is massive given the reported pattern that's been established and the lengthy timeframe during which the events took place. Seriously. . .how many molestation cases come up where you have two credible eye witnesses and that many victims who are willing to step forward over that many years? I bet we're seeing the tip of the disgusting iceberg.

This is/was bad,

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#96
I didn't say Sandusky isn't guilt nor did I say others won't be found at fault but everyone in the least bit involved has already been all but convicted in public opinion. I merely said what's out in public at present and the truth MAY be quite different. I'm also not saying the Duke Lacrosse case exactly mirrors this case either but that case ended drastically different than how it started. But I'm glad you guys are so certain as to what exactly happened in this case and can measure out the proper punishment at this point in time. I'm not there yet.
Who exactly is it that you consider to be "the least bit involved"?
 
#97
Who exactly is it that you consider to be "the least bit involved"?
Just one example and could continue list a few other examples just as stupid in my opinion, I was listening to ESPN radio yesterday morning and one of the hosts of the show was adamant that the entire coaching staff including the current interim coach be relieved of their duties when it entirely appears at this point that none of them are in the least bit involved.
 
#98
Ok in that senario I would agree with you, breathing the same air doesn't make you guilty or involved at all.

But the folks that knew about it and didn't stop it IMO are guilty, from the first janitor that saw it in 1994, to his boss, who he reported it to, yet they both did nothing, to McQueary to Joe Pa to senior leadership at Penn State.

There is already significant evidence via sworn Grand Jury Testimony. So yea it's a good thing for them I can't sit on that jury. And a really good thing for them that I can't determine their punishment.
 
#99
Brookie Hunter, I understand what you are saying and I'm with you one this one. As I said before in the begining of this post. I'm not ready to throw all in to the fire. There is still more to come out. And yes I have kids, TWO. And I would want to be damm sure I knew all of what happen so the one or one's could get what is do to them. And we still not know yet.
 

Ed Call

Well-Known Member
Knowledge of a crime and taking no action will get you charged as an accessory at least and in most jurisdictions you can be charged the same as the principle offender in the case. I hope Penn State is such a jurisdiction.
 

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
I see on the evening news tonight that about 4 months ago joe put most of his assets in his wifes name. Thats rather odd timing , I'm guessing that this incident is about to come a head.
 
The thing that we all need to remember is that the Grand Juries job is to decide whether or not there is enough evidence to indict. There is no guilt or innocence. Often the evidence is sketchy. It is a difficult job this jury worked on this case for over two years before the decision to indict came.
This whole thing makes me sick.
Better get used to this case it will be in the news for the next ten years.
jesse
 
It's all outlined in the indictment. The first incident occurred in 1998 and it was investigated by the State College Police Department but no charges resulted. It's hasn't been established that Sandusky was forced out as a result, but in light of what is now known it's certainly not a stretch to conclude that the 98 incident (and god knows what else) was the reason he abruptly retired in 1999. Additionally, there is the curious account of Paterno famously blowing off Sandusky at his retirement dinner. Seems Paterno couldn’t stomach attending an honorary dinner for Sandusky back in 99 but yet was somehow ok with the administration allowing him access to the campus with emeritus status as recently as last week. As far as I'm concerned, they need to immediately clean house - fire all the staff with any connection to this (and deal with the wrongful termination issues later), reach out to the victims, physically destroy the football locker room facility where that abuse happened, establish the largest scholarship fund for sex abuse victims, and set-aside a big pile of their endowment money to research ways to help prevent abuse and treat abuse victims.
You and i, having both attended that school, know this will never happen due to the two hidden organizations within the senior alumi association. (1974-77 pre med) That institution is one of the largest influential businesses in the Commonwealth, and with people like George T Will, the current sitting governor, several presidential cabinet members and who knows who else sitting in the wings like the vultures they are, damage control will be priority number one behind the scenes.
 

Josh

dead in the water
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You and i, having both attended that school, know this will never happen due to the two hidden organizations within the senior alumi association. (1974-77 pre med)
Stuff like that makes me happy I went to a hippie-ass liberal arts college. Secret alumni organizations at Evergreen are just old guys who trade bootleg tapes of Grateful Dead shows and sell each other weed.