If you were to buy one spey rod, what would it be?

James Mello

Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"
#31
I disagree. Just use your gut and pick one you think looks the sexiest and has the coolest name. Then learn how to use it. They all work.
Hopefully that is tongue in cheek. That's like saying the coolest car you can find cause they all work. Unfortunately if you find you like Diesel trunks and bought a Mini, you'll be kinda screwed.
 

John Hicks

Owner and operator of Sea Run Pursuits
#32
John, if my best friend spelled my last name wrong I'd grab his stiff rod and beat him with it. Totally not bromantical!
Never thought much about the spelling of my friend's last names. Then again, I always Butcher Davidcheck, Chau, Gershgoren, I guess it comes with the shitty spelling abilities.
 
#33
Hopefully that is tongue in cheek. That's like saying the coolest car you can find cause they all work. Unfortunately if you find you like Diesel trunks and bought a Mini, you'll be kinda screwed.
That depends on how you look at it. You'd save enough money in gas to buy a second Spey Rod or some lessons.
 

danimal

Inglorious Twohander
#35
I know everyone is going to have their own opinion and that is just want I want to hear. I am very interested in spey fishing, mostly for steelhead, but would love to hook into some chinook, coho and chum as well. I want to be able to cast heavy set ups (sink tip and weighted flies, but also some grease lining). I am will to spend up to $700 on a complete set up (I have a reel that would work, but I would need line(s)) so mostly looking at droping some coin into a rod.
Okay, so if you were to buy just one spey rod what would it be?
One rod and one rod only? For big tips or a floating line? Hmmm. 13ft or 13ft 6in MKS 7/8 for steel-8/9 in the 13'6" for kings.
As second place finish w/a lower price point if that was a concern of mine. 8133-4 redington CPX.
Thats a 4 bill rod that will do it all. And will cast with them all.
Bout an oz. heavier than I like tho. Great rod to throw on a plane and not worry too much
ifn it becomes a 7 piece upon arrival of yer destination.
 
#36
I disagree. Just use your gut and pick one you think looks the sexiest and has the coolest name. Then learn how to use it. They all work.
There is a lot of Truth to your statement Brady, weather it was tongue and check or not. The fact is, who really knows what feels good when they are just starting? It all feels a little funky, not knowing how to cast. The rod you tend to like is the one you learned on. I learned on a VT2 and a Z Axis, therefore I developed a liking for faster rods, especially since I started with short lines. As I've developed as a caster I've slowly changed to longer rods and lines. The statement "You have to cast a bunch of rods to find what you like" is really not true when first learning. Get some experience, behind a well balanced system, buy a few cheap or used rods and before you know it, you'll be like most of us and have 5 - 10 spey rods with a favorite for every occasion.

In the last three weeks I've spent sometime behind a Burkie. I've never had a desire to own one because I've heard they are mid flexing rods. Since I started with a moderately fast rod I thought it wasn't for me. I'm now a changed man! Once I got the timing right, it was like I unlocked the sweetest rod ever built. I've cast a lot of differnet rods and have been impressed in the past, but the 15'3" 9/10/11 Burkheimer took me to another level of spey casting satisfaction.

I'm a firm believer that you have to give a rod what it wants, it's not the other way around.
 
#37
Red Fly shop in ellensburg/yakima has both the echo and the TFO spey rod complete set up with line/reel/rod for 500 or 600. I bought my echo sr complete package from them with echo ion reel, rio versitip line, running line, backing from them for 500. They have both switch and spey setups. www.redsflyshop.com. No shipping and tax included in price
 
#38
15'3" 9/10/11 Burkheimer took me to another level of spey casting satisfaction.
I want that rod so bad it hurts.

As for a first rod, just get the line right. I tried to learn with one of the old mid-spey lines. I hated it so much I gave up on spey casting for several years. I finally bought a skagit line and I got the hang of it. Lessons and the right line. It really doesn't matter which rod you get.
 
#40
The statement "You have to cast a bunch of rods to find what you like" is really not true when first learning.
james, have you spent time with beginners, handing them a series of properly lined rods back-to-back, to gauge their level of satisfaction or preference for different setups?

I've found that even complete beginners can have a strong preference for rod "A" over rod "B" right from the start, their first time handling one. They may diversify or change preferences down the road, sure. However, if they start initially on a rod they've chosen over others, then they're more likely to stick with it, not blame the rod, and get through the initial frustration that sometimes comes with learning. They key is to try rods back-to-back, not across multiple days. Too many beginners buy a rod recommended on the interwebs or by a flyshop, yet which turns out to be completely ill-suited to their inherent casting stroke preferences. Even a beginner can avoid that pitfall by simply trying 2-3 rods back-to-back and choosing their favorite among them.
 
#41
I've found that even complete beginners can have a strong preference for rod "A" over rod "B" right from the start, their first time handling one. They may diversify or change preferences down the road, sure. However, if they start initially on a rod they've chosen over others, then they're more likely to stick with it, not blame the rod, and get through the initial frustration that sometimes comes with learning. They key is to try rods back-to-back, not across multiple days. Too many beginners buy a rod recommended on the interwebs or by a flyshop, yet which turns out to be completely ill-suited to their inherent casting stroke preferences. Even a beginner can avoid that pitfall by simply trying 2-3 rods back-to-back and choosing their favorite among them.
I totally agree!
 

James Mello

Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"
#43
james, have you spent time with beginners, handing them a series of properly lined rods back-to-back, to gauge their level of satisfaction or preference for different setups?

I've found that even complete beginners can have a strong preference for rod "A" over rod "B" right from the start, their first time handling one. They may diversify or change preferences down the road, sure. However, if they start initially on a rod they've chosen over others, then they're more likely to stick with it, not blame the rod, and get through the initial frustration that sometimes comes with learning. They key is to try rods back-to-back, not across multiple days. Too many beginners buy a rod recommended on the interwebs or by a flyshop, yet which turns out to be completely ill-suited to their inherent casting stroke preferences. Even a beginner can avoid that pitfall by simply trying 2-3 rods back-to-back and choosing their favorite among them.
Wholeheartedly agree. I'm still of the opinion to keep the cost down to what you consider disposable $$$ though :)
 
#44
I don't buy that reasoning...Okay maybe a little bit, sometimes!

Most, given a choice are going to pick the more expensive rod, or the big name they've heard of, "it's expensive or it's Sage... it's gotta be good" reasoning.

I would be willing to agree if you took James Mello's opinion into account, by finding out what the New Caster's budget is, grabbing 4 to 5 rods that meet that budget, then line them all right in the middle of their prospective gain windows with same line type and brand. Maybe even cover the branding and specs. then the caster has a fair shot at picking something that feels better to him/her. Rod "A" and "B" with different line types in different areas of the grain window would be a skewed comparison as the caster is responding to the set up, not the rod. It could easily be the other way around should the set ups change.

I still hold fast to the belief, it's more important to get a balanced set up, get some skill and let your experience guide you.

Anyway, shopping/researching gear is all part of the experience, enjoy it no matter how you go about it.

James.
 
#45
I just ordered a Sage TCX 7126 and am waiting for arrival. I get my lessons free from Aaron Reimer on the Saturday "Day on the River". I have to share with other guys but the price is right and the instruction is good. I put my $ into the equipment and will continue the lessons as long as I have to to get the correct strkes down.