Occupy Skagit

#81
I am kind of putting my neck out, considering that this is a fly fishing site and all. But since this is a larger issue that transcends the trivial distinctions that we, as steelhead anglers, make regarding our personal preferences for gear type, it might not be a bad idea to post something about this on piscatorial pursuits. (That is, once it gets going.) Maybe we could get some anglers to float the river in drift boats with a couple of gear rods in view. Of course, there wouldn't be any lures on the rods. But it might give non-fly fishermen a way to participate without having to cast something into the river that WDFW law enforcement might consider a fishing lure. Anyhow, this is just an idea.
 
#82
I like the idea of inclusiveness...but...we should let the idea ferment and solidify before we do any outreach. We don't want this to get coopted. Once there is a set of concrete ideas to coalese around, I say go for it.

Also, just a hand count...is there anyone who would be interested in this who doesn't have a facebook acount? I'm just wondering if that would be an effective organizing tool for this set of individuals.

I'm totally in for the commission meeting. I say we pack it.

Nuts and Bolts:
I think we need to really get a handle on what we want our message to be. We should start some regular/semi regular get togethers with agandas (and beer) leading up to the commission meeting.

Who are we, why do we care, what do we want.
 

David Dalan

69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E
#83
I am kind of putting my neck out, considering that this is a fly fishing site and all. But since this a larger issue that transcends the trivial distinctions that we, as steelhead anglers, make regarding our personal preferences for gear type, it might not be a bad idea to post something abou this on piscatorial pursuits. (That is, once it gets going.) Maybe we could get some anglers to float the river in drift boats with a couple of gear rods in view. Of course, there wouldn't be lures on the rods. Anyhow, this is just an idea.
I agree. I have fished gear as long as anything, and I know lots of gear fishermen who catch and release steelhead 100% of the time. C&R is certainly not a "fly only" fishery.
 

David Dalan

69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E
#84
I like the idea of inclusiveness...but...we should let the idea ferment and solidify before we do any outreach. We don't want this to get coopted. Once there is a set of concrete ideas to coalese around, I say go for it.

Also, just a hand count...is there anyone who would be interested in this who doesn't have a facebook acount? I'm just wondering if that would be an effective organizing tool for this set of individuals.

I'm totally in for the commission meeting. I say we pack it.

Nuts and Bolts:
I think we need to really get a handle on what we want our message to be. We should start some regular/semi regular get togethers with agandas (and beer) leading up to the commission meeting.

Who are we, why do we care, what do we want.
The more laserlike your focus, the more powerful an impact you'll have. Maybe see if you can get some kind of Clave going on at the same time? Show newbs how to cast and ancourage them to contact WDFW with our (resepctful) critisim?

Too much?
 
#85
On a side note, we should come up with a surface lure for gear guys to use. I'd bet it would blow their minds to have a 15lb fish smash a waking lure--hook or not. If we managed to get a warm day in late march we'd easily find fish willing to cooperate.
 

o mykiss

Active Member
#86
Nuts and Bolts:
I think we need to really get a handle on what we want our message to be. We should start some regular/semi regular get togethers with agandas (and beer) leading up to the commission meeting.

Who are we, why do we care, what do we want.
This seems way too organized for any "Occupy" movement. :)
 

Charles Sullivan

ignoring Rob Allen and Generic
#88
Awesome photo on the FB page gents.

As far as gear fishermen go...the more the merrier, I say. You can fish a corkie and yarn w/o a hook. You could swing a spoon too. Hell they could anchor up and drink beer for all I care. Numbers is numbers after all.

I've refrained from posting on this thread so far because between DeLeone, Kerry, SG and WW, my feelings on the subject are pretty well represented in some fashion. Here are my general sentiments though:

I really appreciate DeLeones Ducks Unlimitted paralell. DU may be the most important single group with regards to preserving important habitat in the nation. They are nealy all hunters. They all want to hunt. For some reason many steelhead advococy groups have looked to the WDFW fishing rule book in an effort to help steelhead. There is no further restriction with regards to the C&R of steelhead that will help them. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

WW's #'s are spot on although I would argue that the 3% number for mortality may be high given the low mortality in the recent Skagit genetic studies when they treated the fish with a radio transmitter shoved down their throat. The important thing to reinforce here is that we don't kill them.

I'm curious if the supposed mortality incurred in the hatchery season could be transferrred to a C&R season given that we won't catch 100% of the fish and that mortality at 3% isn't all of the 4.5% allowed. The natives get their 50% of allowed mortality by law, why have our share come out of a failed hatchery season? This is where WDFW comes in.

I believe that the returns had been in the 2-3000 one other time historically. They bounced back. Anadromous salmonids seem to be pretty resilient. Lower numbers of spawners can lead to remarkably large run sizes. Was the Skagit's inclusion in the "listing" in error?

The only action that the listing lead to was a reduction or elimination of C&R seasons. Just something to remember. Since we know that taking C&R away accomplishes nothing we can safely say that listing steelhead did nothing.

I will spend more and more money north of the border. I'm headed up this weekend at some point and maybe next week for a couple of days. I sure would like to be spending that time on home repairs or working knowing that come February I'll need the time to fish the big river to the south. I would spend money in Sedro Wooley, Lyman/ Hamilton and Rockport. When I fish, I spend money...gas, beer, meals etc. It's unavoidable and truthfully, I tend not to really try and avoid it expecially when fishing "up river".

As my friend SG is fond of saying, government does not lead it follows. At present any C&R season is suffering from a lack of inertia. It is an object not in motion. Government is unlikely to put it in motion, that would be leading. A groundswell off anglers putting it on the table is the only logical way it will be put into motion. Governement may follow.

Anyhow, great idea gentlemen. I'm on board. I love that river and I miss her.

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