Head cement or not

Irafly

Indi "Ira" Jones
#16
I will sometimes place clear nail polish on the thread as I whip finish it. That way the polish doesn't interfere with my materials. Knots still fail after a few fish so polish it up. Now with that, I am also sometimes downright lazy.
 
#18
Fly-Tite head glue is my favorite. It does not have the strong chemical smells, its economical and can be thinned with denatured alcohol. $4 -$5 for 2 oz. Always us it when tying with deer & elk.
 
#19
Haven't used head cement in years. I use Pearsalls silk to tye most of my flies and wax the silk. A three turn whip finish with well waxed thread and the head won't come apart, at least in my experience.
 

dogsnfish

Active Member
#20
sometimes. I use a coat of loctite followed by Sally's on steelhead flies. I might use it on bigger trout flies, but not on smaller ones. I use it on the post of parachutes because I tie them off on the post after watching Leroy Hyatt tie them that way.
 

Krusty

Active Member
#21
I just can't bring myself to not finish a fly without head cement...it's a lifelong ritual. I like the gleam of a smooth whip finished cemented head...though I'm quite sure the fly would hold together just as well against those little trout teeth without cement.

It's not like I'm a production tyer....I'm in no hurry, and like to savor the process.
 

Jim Darden

Active Member
#22
For fresh water, I don't use anything unless I have a lot of time on my hands. For salt water, I use super glue. For steelhead flys I use "hard as nails" in black because it looks good. If you are not having problems with it coming apart, don't worry!
 
#23
Fished yesterday at the edge of a big lake, in a wind storm with slapping waves and driving snow.........with steep gravel bank behind. Bounced streamers off the rocks behind me all day long. Tore several flies to pieces. For big long streamers fished in severe conditions no. I use super glue instead of head cement. Epoxy would be even better. But it's too much trouble.
 

GAT

Dumbfounded
#24
I stopped using any manner of head cement.... I found I lose flies long before the thread starts unraveling. Two or three whip-finish wraps and I call it good.

For display patterns I use automotive touch up paint.
 

ScottP

Active Member
#25
5 seconds (including cleaning out eye, if necessary with feather), can't hurt, kinda gotten to be a habit

Regards,
Scott
 
#26
I just give it a coat of Sally Hansen's and it's all set. Its also good for making surf candy's, etc. I use head cement then a coat of Sally Hansen's to finish my flies if that's any help.
 

Dr Bob

Active Member
#27
Like others here, I use head cement on larger flies such as those that are on a size 12 hook or larger. Smaller flies are just whip finished.
 

Tim Cottage

Formerly tbc1415
#28
I always do
even on extremely small flies where I coat the thread before I whip finish them

Then again I come from the if a little is good 3 more coats is better school of tying
I use hard as nails and cut the brush down to about 15 brisels

sometimes I do a 3 turn whip finish
then coat with head cement
then a 5 turn whip finish while cement is still wet
then super glue it
let that dry
then epoxy it
let that dry
and then coat with head cement
If there is still room I will coat it all with Gorilla Glue
let that dry
then finish it all off with a coat of nail polish

My heads never come undone.
I do sometimes have trouble threading the fly on to a leader

I am always amazed how many fish will hit fur and feathers encased in a chuck of super glue on a hook

I have a similar routine but I always cut my brush down to 13 bristles for a more uniform appearance. I find 15 bristles to be just a bit too bulky on smaller flies. :rolleyes:

TC
 
#29
I don't think I ever tied a fly without some kind of "head cement". Well, maybe a couple over the years.
On Atlantic Salmon flies I use only Cellire clear, black, or red varnish. Same thing on Steelhead flies and classic/traditional wets and streamers .
On dry flies and real small stuff I might put some head cement (Griffiths) on the thread and then wrap. If the head is large enough, I will apply Cellire varnish.
On saltwater flies I use Super Glue (Loctite in the little bottle with the little brush) and finish with two coats of Sally Hansens Hard as Nails.
I don't mind if a fly comes apart due to fish teeth or a bad backcast but it would tick me off if a head unravels due to faulty tying especially if I give a fly to someone.
Jack
 
#30
I always do
even on extremely small flies where I coat the thread before I whip finish them

Then again I come from the if a little is good 3 more coats is better school of tying
I use hard as nails and cut the brush down to about 15 brisels

sometimes I do a 3 turn whip finish
then coat with head cement
then a 5 turn whip finish while cement is still wet
then super glue it
let that dry
then epoxy it
let that dry
and then coat with head cement
If there is still room I will coat it all with Gorilla Glue
let that dry
then finish it all off with a coat of nail polish

My heads never come undone.
I do sometimes have trouble threading the fly on to a leader

I am always amazed how many fish will hit fur and feathers encased in a chuck of super glue on a hook
Kelvin,
You left out solder.:)
Jack