being crude

I am tired of fly fishermen's apparent inability to follow the basic rules of English grammar when posting to a fly fishing internet forum. Have we no respect for this language? I don't think it's an unreasonable request to proofread your work before posting. I am not saying we all must develop the prose and wordsmithing of James Joyce, but must we all be subjected to run-on sentences containing two independent clauses and lacking basic punctuation? Are we not adults?

Edit: Never mind. I'm sorry. This lunacy musta sounded ridiculous and absurdly judgmental.
We speak and act to the level of our company. If it is restrained, we restrain ourselves. If it is crude, we have the option to be crude or remain restrained and just listen, read, watch, or walk away. When I was a construction worker, I talked at a level those around me understood. When I started teaching, I had to temper my mouth and my demeanor changed. It isn't that hard if you "engage brain before mouth."


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I had a conversation with a buddy who is a trout bait fisherman this last spring and he hates how the "fly fisherman thinks they are better than everyone else" and many of these post just prove the attitude as a whole of fly fisherman.

Better then thou
Talk this way
Don't act this way
my gear is better than yours
I know more than you

It just goes on and on. knuckle dragging - mouth breathing - toothless - non spelling - cussing assholes - yep I'm one of them!

Even my daughter knows there are two languages - one for home and one for the outdoors and racing!

After a couple years on this site I would invite a few to my fire - Rob you would not be one of them, but I already knew that from your "Ifish" everyone else is an idiot posts.

Everyone should know by now I have no grammar and can't spell and have nothing to offer to you so don't read my posts when you see them. signed : fucking mouth breathing - knuckle dragging - inbred - toothless fisherman.

When everyone else is wrong some people think it's time to look at self!


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I like that Steve.

When I started coaching girls fast-pitch softball at ages 13 to 16 I had to curve my railroad building construction mouth and be polite!

And no one had to teach me how - imagine that!

Evan Virnoche

i would like to believe because i do fly fish that i am superior to bait/ gear guys (not in the sense i am a better person). but instead have a sense of pride in fly fishing when i hook a fish knowing that much more finesse and trickery was involved. However i dont go runnning around trying to convert people. I really only talk to other fly fisherman on the water.

ps grammar sucks. i barely even english
What exactly is this "fly fishing culture" being spoke of? Last I checked, fly fishing was an activity enjoyed by a wide range of people.

I've never understood the problem with "crude language." They're just words. I can say "oh gosh gawlly shucky darn" and nobody would bat an eye.. If I say "oh fuck all goddammit" certain types cringe and get offended. Both statements mean the exact same thing in that context. I see no difference.

If you have a problem with people who do the things you described, then don't associate yourself with them. One thing i love about fishing is the wide variety of people I have found common ground with and enjoy the company of on the water. I fish with republicans, democrats, christians, atheists, pot heads, scientists, engineers, ministers, recovering drug addicts, soldiers, musicians, and the list goes on... I would get bored with you all right quick if we all subscribed the same ideologies.

So, in short: fuck it. I'm fine with all the things you complain about. I make no apologies for my choice of vocabulary.
Society in general has come to accept coarse language in nearly every situation today. It is not just anglers but everyone. Pick your friends and fishing buddies carefully, or fish alone.
I have learned that saying anything about bad language either; gets you and earful of worse language or nowhere, so I am learning to just walk away if it bothers me.


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I joined this forum to gather information on fly fishing Puget Sound’s many species and to learn a little about spey casting. I’m happy that I joined and have learned most of what I need to get started and have been given a generous offer.
I belong to four other forums, two shotgun, one bird dog and one Italian sports car forum.
I was surprised by the sophomoric potty humor and crude language present on this forum because on the above forums it would be grounds for removing the offender.
I’m sure that the guys who practice crude language are not doing so to insult anyone, but merely stating camaraderie cool or attempting humor.
For those of you who condone crude language:
When you go into a new to you fly shop, the supermarket, a pharmacy, your parents home, or the post office, do you practice the same language?
I’m not offended by the occasional potty humor and crude language present on this forum, but it is not a forum that I will recommend to my grand children who are of both sexes and fly fishing enthusiasts.