2013 5wt shootout

#16
Absolutely. The only way to buy a rod is to cast it first.

It still think expert reviews are a huge help in wading through all the gear that available, especially since most of us have more than one gear-centric hobby.
Exactly Patrick! Some good info mixed with opinions of business owners trying to make a living selling rods...
 

Lugan

Joe Streamer
#17
Those guys have done lots of these shootouts. I don't take their final rankings as gospel, but I do read the details of the reviews to glean info. For example, one common thread in every single shootout they've done is that they all seem to have one very distinct preference in their rods: "sensitive" and "soft" tips. Rods that have stronger tips invariably rate low. For my taste, I have always disliked such soft-tipped rods, and instead like strong-tipped rods. So I tend to scan their reviews to find where they write stuff like, "The tip was too stiff". Then I know I'll probably like that rod. To each his own.
 

creekx

spent spinner
#20
These reviews are interesting, but as they say, "We’re looking for rods that can do it all, at any distance, with a 5-weight GPX line."
That metric has limited value to most fly fisherman. The 5-weight has been the all-around rod for many years, but few buy one rod and expect it to fish streamers on a type 6 line AND present a #22 BWO on 6x tippet.
 

dogsnfish

Active Member
#23
Those guys have done lots of these shootouts. I don't take their final rankings as gospel, but I do read the details of the reviews to glean info. For example, one common thread in every single shootout they've done is that they all seem to have one very distinct preference in their rods: "sensitive" and "soft" tips. Rods that have stronger tips invariably rate low. For my taste, I have always disliked such soft-tipped rods, and instead like strong-tipped rods. So I tend to scan their reviews to find where they write stuff like, "The tip was too stiff". Then I know I'll probably like that rod. To each his own.
I agree. I pay attention because I am always looking for blanks for winter projects, but figured out that what scores highly in their rankings usually means I will not enjoy casting it. My favorite single hand rod is a Burkie 595 and they slammed its cousin the 590 for the very same reasons that I like it so much. I have also cast several other rods on this review that ranked much higher, but I did not like them.
 

Lugan

Joe Streamer
#24
Oddly enough, the GPX isn't even a 5 weight line...
This is an important point you make. It's a 5.5 weight line according to the AFTMA standard. But that brings up another flaw in their methodology: They stick that same line on every rod they rate. If you've been in this sport for any length of time, you know that rods can be fickle about which lines they do best with. For example, they rated the Scott G2 905 as a middle-of-pack performer. I'm not surprised, since the GPX would almost certainly overload that rod. I owned that rod for a few years and found that it not only likes a true 5wt line, but one that has a long and gentle front taper (Rio LT was great on it). The GPX is not only heavy overall, but has relatively more weight positioned at the front of the line taper. That's great for super stiff rods IMO, but usually makes softer rods bounce around too much, which plays havoc on tracking and ultimately accuracy. This is all IMO and YMMV, of course.
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#27
Other than something like distance casting, I don't get how it's even remotely possible to objectively evaluate something as subjective as fly casting good rods. Once rod design crosses the threshold of being "good," I think the rest is about subjective personal preference. The shootout establishes preference at the get go by using 5.5 wt lines one all rods, labeled 5 wt. Seems a bit weird to me.
 

IHV2FSH

Active Member
#28
I've read all the posts and most seem to be negative. That's disappointing. Some folks getting thier waders in a bunch becasue the rod they like wasn't rated as highly as they feel it should have been, some bashing thier methods, some thier findings, some thier motivation, etc.

C'mon fellas, let's give the guys some appreciation and respect. I'm confident they have casted, fished, sold and evaluated more rods than most of us ever will. Take their report for what it is, an opinion. They're not Consumer Reports. They fully disclosed their metodologies to arrivie at their results. They could just provide a grid of results saying they tested the rods without providing ANY background info or comments for that matter. But we all know this wouldn't have much value to anyone. I'm certain they know it too, that's why they conduct and disclose in the manner they do. I'm good with it.

If you don't ever want to have receive the benefit of one gathering all the equipment, conducting an analysis and providing the results in a public fashon, keep bashing them and I'm sure the shootouts will end. As will the waders and other gear they review.

And let's be real. If they wanted to do this to only sell rods, there's many other avenues they could pursue requiring less work, time and organization.

It's fun, it's entertaining, it's interesting, and a lot of us enjoy these kinds of reviews. I say keep up the good work and I'm looking foward to their next shootout of whatever they decide to review!
 

PT

Physhicist
#30
C'mon fellas, let's give the guys some appreciation and respect. I'm confident they have casted, fished, sold and evaluated more rods than most of us ever will. !
Why? Just a bunch of guys casting a bunch of rods and writing about it. Some people enjoy reading about it and others don't give it .02 worth of time. I'd say, respect and appreciate that.