Fishing News in Olympia

Upton O

Blind hog fisherman
Try reading Fate of the States, by Meredith Whitney, she gives on interesting presentation on splurge spending by federal and state governments, their approach to solving mismanagement of budgets as well as tax payer irresponsibility.

Old Man

Just an Old Man
Bristol Bay...well, hopefully.

La Paz?
You wouldn't want to live in a state where you can fish every month of the year. You guys is Washington are all spoiled. You catch a Steelhead every other year. And you think that is good fishing.

Besides that aren't any good paying jobs to be had here.


Active Member
Well people could move to Frazer river valley in B.C. But when I checked property values and housing cost two years ago I was shocked. seems plenty of retirees have already fled the country (or Washington) and bought up all the land and sky rocketed the prices. even just a double wide prefab home was over $100,000.

You could move to Oregon but than you would have to pay taxes right out of your check! No driving out of state to buy your big items and you would pay more in taxes.

Also many of you would join the "WILD FISH CRUSADE" And try and wipe-out our brood stock and hatchery programs so the fishing would suck just like it does in many of your S.W. Washington rivers right now and you'd be right back where you started in Washington - only you would be paying more taxes.

You could always move to Idaho, but than you would lobby to destroy all the hatchery fish that swim up the Columbia by the hundreds of thousands.

It amazes me that I have heard of no riots or picketing yet? if this happened in Oregon - Salem would come to a dead stop with the people who would flock to the capital in rebellion. Even when we were fighting against the netters 100's of people showed with boats in tow to block much of Salem with protests, from guides to the normal Joe, they made there presence known. Living in Portland it amazes me how many people from Washington drive across the bridge to get items so they do not have to pay taxes, but this is what the "SMART PEOPLE DO" heck I just read a thread from a guy from fife on a different forum wanting to know where the best prices are in Portland since he was headed this way he could spend a bunch and not pay sales tax.

When I fish in Washington I don't stop in Oregon for my supplies, I always get food and other items for the trip at small stores in the area I fish and make a point to support the area. from the store in Toutle when I fish coldwater to four corners (and the old fishing shop) when I used to fish the East fork, to Stevenson and Home Valley. when I fish Drano and white salmon and many other Columbia back waters for salmon and steel.

But than I'm just a mouth breathing - knuckle dragging - toothless heathen. I buy the discovery pass and don't complain, I have purchased an out of state Washington fishing lic. since the 80's (every year) when I could buy my gear in Oregon for some reason I always buy gear from a local store out of Stevenson or in Home Valley because I feel i should and pay the sale tax to support Washington when I am fishing in your state. heck me and a friend rented a motel last summer in Stevenson when we could of just drove across to Cascade locks and not pay the taxes. We could of bought all our cures and bait in Oregon but we opted to buy it at home valley, over a $100 of stuff and payed the taxes. I feel if I am going to fish in Washington I should support your state. thanks to Idaho (and some upper Columbia Washington fisheries) Drano, White salmon, and many other areas are full of silvers - Chinook - and steelhead swinging in for the cool waters during there Columbia up-stream migration almost all summer long. These are some of the biggest concentrations of fish in the lower 48 and i feel fortunate to be able to fish them so I try and do my part.

But then I'm not very SMART!


Not to be confused with Freestone
Fish stocks with no commercial value seem to do just fine... just imagine what our steelhead and salmon fisheries would look like if they had no price tag hanging off their tail.

I suggest all the disgruntled Washingtonians move to CA... payback time... in more ways than one! ;)


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Something like 90ยข on the dollar of the state's general fund is allocated to supporting just three required missions: education, medication and incarceration. None are optional.
Privatize all 3 of the above, seriously. Someone smarter than all of our government officials will pick up the ball and figure out how to make them profitable, especially incarceration.

I do not think the state should be getting any more money until they show some basic math skills and can balance a budget. They also need to take a long look at retirement plans they are currently paying into and how they are being held hostage by certain unions when contract time comes up. If they can get to that point then we can talk about implementing an income tax or allocating funds, I think if they could be fiscally responsible for a year or two most wouldn't mind pitching in a little more to get what they want to out of the state they live in.


Not to be confused with Freestone
While we and our elected officials are all busy beating the hell out of one another, pissing over who's entitled to what and thinking how great life would be if everyone else would just see the world through our glasses, I saw this quote and thought it to be spot on...especially for a fishing forum.

"If we concentrated on the really important stuff in life, there would be a shortage of fishing poles"

Old Man

Just an Old Man
Talking about taxes. I have lived here in Montana going on 8 years now. Hell, I still can't get used to the idea that all you pay is the sticker price for things. $9.99 is just that.

Also when I was in Washington a few years ago, I stopped at the Cabela's in Lacey and picked up a big item. The clerk told me because I'm from Montana I didn't have to pay sales tax. That has happened to me twice.


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Time to move. The fishing isnt that good anyway. Love the water and mountains everywhere but this mismanagement is over the top. Where to enjoy living next?
That's an interesting notion Ed. It suggests in my mind the concept of "place orientation." When I was younger, over 90% of everyone I knew or met was "from" WA. For years now, well over 50% of everyone I know or meet is "from" another state. Clearly people in the US are increasingly mobile and quite willing to move for education, jobs, or a change in scenery. Or better fishing.

I'm a native of western WA and very place oriented. I've thought of going elsewhere, but I like to fish year around, and there's only so many places that meet that criteria. Not to mention that the climate absolutely sucks at least half the year in most places, with either extremely hot, extremely humid, or extremely freeze yer nuts off weather. I've discovered that those things make the gray and rain around here extremely tolerable. Besides I don't really know any different except for a week or two at a time in those other climes.

Since I'm approaching retirement, the notion of split residence has come up a few times. A former co-worker moved to MT, but a little over a year ago they bought a place in FL to snowbird. Sometimes I think about the ex-pat thing and wintering south of Cancun, MX and fishing the flats all winter and then coming north for the summer, but where? Plus it would be difficult to just pack up and leave the bucket list dream home I recently built. I flat out couldn't replace it. Fun to day dream tho.


Kent Lufkin

Remember when you could remember everything?
Time to move. The fishing isnt that good anyway. Love the water and mountains everywhere but this mismanagement is over the top. Where to enjoy living next?
Your comment reflects a quintessential element of the American experience.

Horacy Greely is credited in 1833 with advising, "Go West, young man, go West. There is health in the country, and room away from our crowds of idlers and imbeciles." A century later, the combination punch of the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl had pushed American cultural expansion all the way to California. Suddenly there was no further West to go to.

Later, Jack Kerouac, Ken Kesey and Hunter S. Thompson all romanticized the notion of finding one's true self on the road, as if the process of relocation in and of itself were somehow the ultimate antidote for the day-to-day compromises we all make as citizens. It can be argued that most of those who ended up in Alaska and are now known as 'End of the Roaders' got there simply because there's no longer anywhere else to go.

Just like beauty, mismanagement is indeed in the eye of the beholder. One of the downsides to representative democracy is that on any up or down question, a minority will feel slighted by the outcome and that their interests and wishes have been ignored, their views trampled upon. In a system like America where a 51% majority carries the day, somebody's ox will inevitably be gored.

The bigger question though is where are you going to find a better system?

IMHO, instead of packing up and heading off down the road, you'll get a better return on your investment of time and energy by working within to improve the very things you deplore.

Kent wrote: "Everyone here howls at all the user fees now being charged, especially for recreational use. User fee income does not go into the general fund but rather stays with the department that generated it. Thankfully, if it weren't for those fees (and fines from citations), WDFW would have shut down a long time ago thanks to continual reductions in financial support from the general fund. Same with DNR and Parks."

Very well put Kent and this has irked me since moving to WA four years ago. I lived most of my life in NY state (Rochester - no where near NY City) and know what it means to be taxed. As some have suggested in this thread, more taxes going in the general fund do not solve the problem because it only grows the government. Before you know it taxes need to be raised to support it and its programs. Everyone I know in NY that is sick and tired of income and other taxes cries out for user fees/taxes. Well, that is what is being tried here with the Discovery Pass etc. and all I hear is bitching about having to pay for what I use. I don't get it. I learned a long time ago that you shouldn't expect anything for nothing, yet human nature expects just that.

Jim Wallace

Smells like low tide.
I've supported the Discovery Pass and other user fees without bitchin' about em, and will continue to do so. I won't spend any more money on 'em unless I can go fishing and use the state parks, though.
As a matter of fact, I'll bet our folks representing us in Oly will arrive at some kind of a consensus this week. To do otherwise would surely be risking political suicide. If they don't pass a budget, I'm blaming all of em, and I'll be forced to vote for a "Green Party" candidate next election. :confused: That should scare 'em into action!