The Native Fish Society under attack

Jim Wallace

Smells like low tide.
#46
Wow! I just typed out a long reply to Salmo_g's last comment, and It wouldn't post, I got an "internal server error" notice, my message disappeared, and yet I am still logged in.
What's the matter, can't the server handle the truth?:confused:
 

GAT

Dumbfounded
#47
Wow! I just typed out a long reply to Salmo_g's last comment, and It wouldn't post, I got an "internal server error" notice, my message disappeared, and yet I am still logged in.
What's the matter, can't the server handle the truth?:confused:
No.... it can't handle the truth!!!! :)
 

Jim Wallace

Smells like low tide.
#48
Basically I wrote that agreed with Sg, and that I was just trying to explain the mindset of the commercial fishers I know.

This is a zero-sum game here, depending on the number of fish. There are already too many players, and to set things right, we are all going to have to suffer some cuts to our fishing expectations.

Edit, 6/27):
Up until recently, the Willapa Basin was the only anadromous basin in the state of WA where there is no "co-managed" Tribal gill net fishery, and until I mentioned this to a local friend who set me straight, I thought that was still the case.
My friend told me that the Chinook Tribe recently (2009) moved its tribal headquarters from Illwaco to Bay Center. It wasn't until 2001 that the US Gov't finally acknowledged that the Chinooks were indeed a tribe with certain treaty rights. My friend tells me that the Chinook Tribe have been negotiating the details for a tribal fishery in Willapa Bay. I don't know any details, or anything else about that, though. His words were "They have begun agitating for their share of the action."

Prior to finding this out, I thought that WDFW didn't have to deal with "co-managers" in Willapa Bay.

I've got to see if I can find out more about this.
 

Jim Wallace

Smells like low tide.
#49
Those were my own feelings. Most of the other locals out here don't like C&R and many ignore the fishing regulations. We probably would have little success getting them to change their way of thinking. They would side with the farmers, loggers, and commercial fishers before they took sides with "urban elitist fly fishers" or "wild fish enthusiasts."
 

Jim Wallace

Smells like low tide.
#50
One of the statements I wrote that mysteriously disappeared is that most commercial fisher I know operate in more than one, often several, venues. Thus, you can take gill nets away from them, and they can still continue to fish commercially in their other venues.
The gill netter and crabber can go back to being a crabber and troller.
The shrimp-trawler/tuna&salmon-troller/crabber doesn't need to look forward to gill netting for his retirement.
Etc.
 

Jim Wallace

Smells like low tide.
#51
I just talked to a friend who works the deck of a crabber, and since crabbing slowed down here and crabbers in Puget Sound, BC and Alaska are doing well, keeping the price down, they quickly switched over to working prawn pots. They have a whole string of 'em set out on a longline, as opposed to individual lines with crab buoys.

Makes me suspect that some gill netters put out a lot of crocodile tears. Its really lucrative for them, so they don't want to give it up.
 
#53
Native Fish Society advocates for wild fish, many other user groups are advocating for people and their allocation of fish. If you find that at odds with your desires, so be it. I just think that someone needs to speak for the fish, and not our( the collective our), self interests.

The commercial fleet is a shadow of what it once was, and not the most important of the 4 H's.

Chris D, you gotta quit those hatcery brats cold turkey Bro, they're like a drug man, they'll kill ya.;)
 
#54
Chris D, you gotta quit those hatcery brats cold turkey Bro, they're like a drug man, they'll kill ya.;)
I think we both know that Chris isn't into the brats. He's just like the rest of us...he wants to fish for steelhead; but, it's a fine line. The question is, in my mind, how do we get there with the best interest of our precious native steelhead at heart.
Ed
 
#57
I'm trying to understand the thought process that says we need to "buy out" the commercial fishermen because they have a right to the resources of the people in the state. Did we "buy out" the travel agents when internet booking became the norm, did we buy out the buggy whip manufacturers, did we buy out the service station attendants, things change and they need to change too. The state has a constitutional obligation to manage its resources for the best return for the citizens and that has shown that a sport caught fish is worth ten times the return of a commercial fish. It is time to suck it up and do the right thing.
 

Chris Bellows

Your Preferred WFF Poster
#59
Here's an interesting synopsis of the Nez Perce Tribe's research on Wild/Hatchery interbreeding. I'd love to see more studies of this nature to see if they corroborate the information found at Johnson Creek. If so, then maybe we can utilize that information to resore wild populations of both salmon and steelhead.
http://www.nptfisheries.org/Portals/0/success-johnson_creek.pdf
if you read the actual study you realize that they got the success they did because they did not include the hatchery fish that produced zero offspring. the program also produced a higher % of jacks than a wild population would.

when you don't include unsuccessful spawners, it's pretty easy to show increased spawning success.