NFR Once Again, the US Govt Wipes Its A$$ With the Constitution.

#31
I read the bill, it seems fair......This is a free country, one built on laws that need to to be obey to stay the nice place it is and this is the best place to live on this planet. If anyone does not like it here they are free to buy an airplane ticket and leave. And if you like what is going on in Egypt you are free to move over there.....good luck with that.
And yes I served my 4 years in the military (Navy) and was happy to do it. :cool:
 

Ed Call

Well-Known Member
#32
Twenty years, nine days and many friends lost. Fourth generation servant to the nation. Proud of those I've met, served with, served, treated and buried. Far too many of the latter categories and I think my career was mild compared to others.

Breck, I know you are a great dude, and respect your position. In fact many have shed their blood and given their sons and daughters for you to express your honest feelings.

The enemy within is the most pervasive, commonly a product of our choices and systems. Often tougher to identify, isolate and manage.

Remember the gent by the name of Osama Bin Laden? A product of the choices of those entrusted to support the causes our nation deemed necessary.

My contract is over. Parts of that oath that I can still uphold outside of the contract are still part of my daily mantra. What is your oath? Maybe we can reconvene this around a campfire soon. Our common friends should set it up!
 

PT

Physhicist
#33
On to the next election where the electorate will champion their party as being the party of the people.......


Makes me F'n sick!
 

Breck

The Whisky Guy
#34
I have a problem sometimes with expressing myself when I'm angry and frustrated. I tend to believe things that are printed, whether or not they are founded in fact. I get really pissed off when I feel like the Govt is selling us out, but I should know better than to impulsively blurt out things on a public forum without doing my research.

It's done now and I'll have to own up to the shame. I shouldn't type or open my mouth when I'm angry. Period. Now that I've had some time to calm down, think, and do a little further reading, I realize I was wrong. I sincerely apologize to anyone who makes the sacrifices and gives of themselves to bravely serve our nation in the Armed Forces. I truly honor and respect your service. It takes strength, courage, and honor to be a soldier-attributes that I have always admired. These things should never be mocked.

A heartfelt apology to anyone that I may have offended with my idiotic rantings. I was wrong.

This crow tastes like shit.

-Breck
 

flyfool

Active Member
#35
I have a problem sometimes with expressing myself when I'm angry and frustrated. I tend to believe things that are printed, whether or not they are founded in fact. I get really pissed off when I feel like the Govt is selling us out, but I should know better than to impulsively blurt out things on a public forum without doing my research.

It's done now and I'll have to own up to the shame. I shouldn't type or open my mouth when I'm angry. Period. Now that I've had some time to calm down, think, and do a little further reading, I realize I was wrong. I sincerely apologize to anyone who makes the sacrifices and gives of themselves to bravely serve our nation in the Armed Forces. I truly honor and respect your service. It takes strength, courage, and honor to be a soldier-attributes that I have always admired. These things should never be mocked.

A heartfelt apology to anyone that I may have offended with my idiotic rantings. I was wrong.

This crow tastes like shit.

-Breck

Well said. Honorably stated. Peace.
 
#36
All I'm saying is that they took an oath to protect the Constitution. Just wondering when that oath is going to be taken seriously
That is one of the reasons I got out of the Navy. I couldn't stand all the military members applauding Bush for destroying the constitution.
 

orangeradish

Eyes to the sky...
#37
“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then.”

-Tommy Jefferson
 
#38
“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then.”

-Tommy Jefferson

Damn, I was sure you were gonna credit Bobo at the end of that quote.
 

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
#39
“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then.”

-Tommy Jefferson
Cut bait or fish!!!!

Rudy Franolavich,( Quoted off the candlestick, tree point, Alaska 1980)
 
#40
Protecting my ass from what, exactly? A government that daily gets our nation deeper and deeper into debt? A government that provides arms to Mexican drug cartels? A government that tortures and imprisons people indefinitely without due process (again thereby wiping its ass with the Constitution)? A government that protects the corporations that are poisoning our food supply?

I wish someone could and would protect my ass from that.
1. Arms and Ammuniton is not given to the Drug Cartels like its a soup kitchen
2. The government that tortures and imprisions people without due process does so to people that under our constitution do not have constitutional rights. If this was not done imagine what state our country would be in after we got into the war in Afghanistan.
3. Where are you getting this information? I tend to stay away from the crack heads on the street corner.
4. Also if this order is given we have the constitutional right to not perform the orders at it does impeed the American Citizens of their rights.
5. The chances of this law getting upheld in court are slim to none because it over steps the bounds of the constitution.
 
#41
I have a problem sometimes with expressing myself when I'm angry and frustrated. I tend to believe things that are printed, whether or not they are founded in fact. I get really pissed off when I feel like the Govt is selling us out, but I should know better than to impulsively blurt out things on a public forum without doing my research.

It's done now and I'll have to own up to the shame. I shouldn't type or open my mouth when I'm angry. Period. Now that I've had some time to calm down, think, and do a little further reading, I realize I was wrong. I sincerely apologize to anyone who makes the sacrifices and gives of themselves to bravely serve our nation in the Armed Forces. I truly honor and respect your service. It takes strength, courage, and honor to be a soldier-attributes that I have always admired. These things should never be mocked.

A heartfelt apology to anyone that I may have offended with my idiotic rantings. I was wrong.

This crow tastes like shit.

-Breck
Well said and good advice to anyone on the forum or internet looking to write about something.
 

FT

Active Member
#42
Skylar,

I suppose that little NSA program collecting metadata on most everyone's emails, cell calls, and residential telephone calls because they decided that they have the authority to do so under the Homeland Security Act is fine and doesn't over step the bounds of the Constitution.

And then the House of Representative voted against sharply curtailing it and making the NSA have to go to a normal federal court (instead of the secret NSA court that answers to nobody and that doesn't require probable cause and a search warrant to get the metadata like phone tapping would) where they would have to show probable cause (i.e. that a reasonable person would think that a crime has occurred or is about to occur from the actions of the person named in the warrant request) to get a warrant before collecting the metadata. The majority who voted against making the NSA follow the Constitution's prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure explained away their voting against this by saying that this NSA program helps the NSA and Homeland Security keep us safe. Hmmm..... This sure looks like none of those who voted against this care much about the unreasonable search and seizure prohibition in the Constitution.

There is also the little license plate recognition and photographing that is taking place in our large cities, including Seattle that allows the police (or any other government agencies by virtue of supeoning these records from the police) to show where a person was on what day and at what time when his license plate was photographed. And all the police officer needs to do is drive down the street and the three cameras on his car (one front, one to the left, and one to the right) snap photos of each license plate he passes. Plus, the other traffic and surveillance cameras hung from light poles, traffic lights, etc. are also now using the same license plate photo technology. It would be very easy for a person's movements to be tracked and catalogued with this technology and it is completely without his knowledge. The ACLU has brought a lawsuit against Los Angeles for violating the Constitutional rights of the people who have had their movements tracked by this technology.

There are reasons the folks at the Constitutional Convention who wrote our Constitution limited government power and limited governments ability to spy on, track the movements of, and violate the privacy of the citizens. The Constitution actually gives very limited power to the government and the Bill of Rights was put there to prevent the government from harassing and pushing around the citizens.
 
#43
Skylar,

I suppose that little NSA program collecting metadata on most everyone's emails, cell calls, and residential telephone calls because they decided that they have the authority to do so under the Homeland Security Act is fine and doesn't over step the bounds of the Constitution.

And then the House of Representative voted against sharply curtailing it and making the NSA have to go to a normal federal court (instead of the secret NSA court that answers to nobody and that doesn't require probable cause and a search warrant to get the metadata like phone tapping would) where they would have to show probable cause (i.e. that a reasonable person would think that a crime has occurred or is about to occur from the actions of the person named in the warrant request) to get a warrant before collecting the metadata. The majority who voted against making the NSA follow the Constitution's prohibition against unreasonable search and seizure explained away their voting against this by saying that this NSA program helps the NSA and Homeland Security keep us safe. Hmmm..... This sure looks like none of those who voted against this care much about the unreasonable search and seizure prohibition in the Constitution.

There is also the little license plate recognition and photographing that is taking place in our large cities, including Seattle that allows the police (or any other government agencies by virtue of supeoning these records from the police) to show where a person was on what day and at what time when his license plate was photographed. And all the police officer needs to do is drive down the street and the three cameras on his car (one front, one to the left, and one to the right) snap photos of each license plate he passes. Plus, the other traffic and surveillance cameras hung from light poles, traffic lights, etc. are also now using the same license plate photo technology. It would be very easy for a person's movements to be tracked and catalogued with this technology and it is completely without his knowledge. The ACLU has brought a lawsuit against Los Angeles for violating the Constitutional rights of the people who have had their movements tracked by this technology.

There are reasons the folks at the Constitutional Convention who wrote our Constitution limited government power and limited governments ability to spy on, track the movements of, and violate the privacy of the citizens. The Constitution actually gives very limited power to the government and the Bill of Rights was put there to prevent the government from harassing and pushing around the citizens.
I agree with you that there are some things that are being done that should not be done. The biggest problem that i have seen is that "We the people" have not stepped up and said enough with a larg enough voice. I agree with what you said, and on that note due to The President being my Commander in Chief i will not say any more over a public medium.