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Evan - It may be coming - but I have't seen it yet

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162...otes-for-clean-spending-bill-to-end-shutdown/

Im not up to the minute on the votes or where they stand but I do know this - the federal employees not working will get back pay, our debt ceiling will go up, as well will our debt. American will give more control of their lives to government. I think I once read you were not going to have kids - be thankful you didn't, its hard watching this country turn into unproductive Western Europe.

Have a good night Gentlemen - I have to go do homework with my girls
 

freestoneangler

Not to be confused with Freestone
They could always use the "taking my toys and flee" tactic...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41644074/...-union-vote-hold-after-democrats-leave-state/

...I don't recall, did we ever decide whether that was legal or a form of extortion?

I have heard both good and bad from Canadians I speak with about their health care system. What they like least is having so little control over decisions made and excessive wait time for treatments. So in the end, its highly likely we end up with the same amount of pros and cons, but paying more for it and, if it follows the other federal government programs of like scale, goes broke from bad management practices by people who fall into Milton Friedman's last category of how money is spent -- "other people's money for other people".

Another little riddle is why, if America's medical system is so torrid, people flock here form all points of the globe to partake...similarly why many of those who are so enamored with nationalized health care systems of other countries aren't leaving?
 
I own and operate a small resort in the North Cascades specifically in the Ross Lake Recreation area. I operate under a concession contract from the national park service. Last Thursday I was ordered to remove my guests by 3 pm and close my doors until further notice. My occupancy rate is over 95% percent during the month of October and the fishing has been great this fall. To top it off one of my staff was out fishing on his day off and was contacted by the rangers and told to get off the lake no recreating was allowed. At least they are willing to let us remain on "my" property for maintenance reasons. In my 42 years of living here I have never seen anything like this. Fat chance my lost income or wages of the 8 staff members I had to let go will be reimbursed. Pissed off does not even begin to express my anger.
 

Flyborg

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Another little riddle is why, if America's medical system is so torrid, people flock here form all points of the globe to partake...similarly why many of those who are so enamored with nationalized health care systems of other countries aren't leaving?
That's funny. I know quite a few American's who travel to Mexico for medical/dental tourism.
 
Give examples of the ones you're most concerned about.
"concerned about" is rather strong, but question on face value, is a whole different thing. Things that by themselves, wouldn't stand a chance getting passed. However, that's how politics has been played forever. I'm not going to list them, because am a true believer in doing one's own "homework", as it's been said.

I will say this (not that it needs to be said), but I don't watch Fox News, Rush L., Shawn H., Glenn Beck, NBC, or any other network. I don't even have cable TV. If I do watch anything, on a given topic, I try to watch all the ones I have access to (on the same subject) to see how it's covered - or if it even is covered.
 

PT

Physhicist
Here's a C&P from elsewhere. It is the system we have, and even though it may be just a few holding it up, I'd rather have them bickering over this now rather than writing another blank check. I say shut 'em down a few months anyway just because.

Love this! Trying to actually budget with the budget process - the audacity!

And dear mr POTUS: In regards to the upcoming debt ceiling issue and your refusal to "negotiate". Don't we have the right to know and decide what the loan is for before we authorize it?

Regardless of where you come down on the individual budget issues, and given our current depth of debt, I don't think we should be handing out any more "blank checks" to our leaders. To authorize more borrowing and spending without questioning "what for" would be completely irresponsible.

That said, I don't think the house, senate or POTUS did their jobs well to negotiate, compromise and avoid a shutdown.

And that said, I think a positive coming out of the shutdown is the media giving a lot of education to otherwise low-information voters about our indebtedness and lack of a budget. Also exposes a lot of "good" government programs that we simply cannot afford. Just because a program does good does not mean we can or should pay for it.

There are a ton of good and profitable things I can do for my children if only I had the money. I just need to find a credit card that has an ever-increasing credit limit that I don't really have to worry about paying back! Fantasy? Sure! But seems to work for our federal government. Who's really messing with the full faith and credit of the US?

I don't buy the "but we just want to pay the bills we've already incurred" bu!!$ht from the pres. OK, fine, we'll cover you this time but . . . we sure as he[[ want to talk about what we're spending before giving you the credit card to wrack up more debt!

Just my humble, non-C&P thoughts.

What say others who like to dismiss opposing thoughts as partisan nonsense?
 
I own and operate a small resort in the North Cascades specifically in the Ross Lake Recreation area. I operate under a concession contract from the national park service. Last Thursday I was ordered to remove my guests by 3 pm and close my doors until further notice. My occupancy rate is over 95% percent during the month of October and the fishing has been great this fall. To top it off one of my staff was out fishing on his day off and was contacted by the rangers and told to get off the lake no recreating was allowed. At least they are willing to let us remain on "my" property for maintenance reasons. In my 42 years of living here I have never seen anything like this. Fat chance my lost income or wages of the 8 staff members I had to let go will be reimbursed. Pissed off does not even begin to express my anger.
Man.. I can't even begin to fathom being put in to that situation. For your sake and those like you, I hope this gets resolved real quick like.
 
Jeff Sawyer
I don’t know if AHCA is the best final answer or not…but it is a plan, and the republicans haven’t offered one at all.
Jeff - Here are a number of plans offered by republicans - you like many other Americans need to pay more attention to your Congress
I can assure you those Jack Wads in DC have more of my attention than they deserve or have earned.​
I was furloughed one day a week for six weeks this summer because of the Sequester, essentially cutting my pay 20%.​
Now just weeks later, I spent another week as a pawn in their fucking game. Boss told us today that yes we will get paid for it, but they're not sure when.​
The news just broke in and said that unless something is done before mid Oct that VA payments that are suppose to come out 1 Nov won't happen. (At least not on-time).​
So these MFs have my undivided attention.​
And actually I stand corrected on the Republicans not offering anything, actually the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea...and it was Romneycare before it was Obamacare.​
I didn't spend the hours it would probably take to go through the links you provided and try to decipher the plans, but looks like the the common denominator is a Tax Credit between 1500 and 2500. My Dad who's healthy as a horse but happens to be 63 recently wanted to retire couldn't because he found out Healthcare was going to cost $700 a month. That'll eat up a $1500 tax credit pretty quick.​
But the real bottom line is Obamacare passed both the house and senate and the president signed it...You might not like the way it did but it did. It is the law, like it or not. None of those Republican offers did. Again there are legislative processes to change laws you don't like.​
Taking the country hostage, threating to blow up the economy and jerking people around because they work for the federal government, or failing to provide the VA benefits to our vets in a timely manner is a new low for the GOP.​
BTW in the not so distant past I used to vote GOP exclusively, however, the party I use to vote for no longer exist.​
 
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...s_south_for_heart_surgery.html?app=noRedirect

My friend from Alberta had his hip done in Seattle

His wife came down for a kidney op because of long wait

My primary physician left Canada because she said she disliked beaurocracy that associated with care.

We have many issues with our system but treatment for serious diseases , Ortho work etc the US still ranks very high
Your friends surgeries were likely paid for in full be their Canadian health care. They have a provision that if care is not available for some reason they will pay for you to go to the US with no out of pocket expenses.
There are a lot of anecdotal stories like yours but they are a tiny % of healthcare issues. The latest polls show 91% of Canadians like their healthcare.
 
"I can assure you those Jack Wads in DC have more of my attention than they deserve or have earned.​
I was furloughed one day a week for six weeks this summer because of the Sequester, essentially cutting my pay 20%.​
Now just weeks later, I spent another week as a pawn in their fucking game. Boss told us today that yes we will get paid for it, but they're not sure when.​
The news just broke in and said that unless something is done before mid Oct that VA payments that are suppose to come out 1 Nov won't happen. (At least not on-time).​
So these MFs have my undivided attention."​
Im always sorry to hear that folks lose income and are subject to the ebb and flow of their employer - but with cities going broke, our state and national unfunded liabilities, looking at a 20 trillion debt - Jeff I hate to say, get used to it. Your going to be a pawn for the rest of your career as a Federal Employee​
"And actually I stand corrected on the Republicans not offering anything, actually the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea...and it was Romneycare before it was Obamacare."​
I kinda of put RomneyCare at the state level and if folks from each state want to address their healthcare in any such way - i am supportive of it. I don't like it on a Federal Government level - So I do see a large divide in that comparison.​
"But the real bottom line is Obamacare passed both the house and senate and the president signed it...You might not like the way it did but it did. It is the law, like it or not. None of those Republican offers did. Again there are legislative processes to change laws you don't like."​
Yes and I agree that the House should not fund it, or make drastic changes to the bill through appropriations or in committee with the Senate to change the Bill -​
"BTW in the not so distant past I used to vote GOP exclusively, however, the party I use to vote for no longer exist."​
"I can assure you those Jack Wads in DC have more of my attention than they deserve or have earned.

I was furloughed one day a week for six weeks this summer because of the Sequester, essentially cutting my pay 20%.

Now just weeks later, I spent another week as a pawn in their fucking game. Boss told us today that yes we will get paid for it, but they're not sure when.

The news just broke in and said that unless something is done before mid Oct that VA payments that are suppose to come out 1 Nov won't happen. (At least not on-time).

So these MFs have my undivided attention."

Im always sorry to hear that folks lose income and are subject to the ebb and flow of their employer - but with cities going broke, our state and national unfunded liabilities, looking at a 20 trillion debt - Jeff I hate to say, get used to it. Your going to be a pawn for the rest of your career as a Federal Employee


"And actually I stand corrected on the Republicans not offering anything, actually the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea...and it was Romneycare before it was Obamacare."

I kinda of put RomneyCare at the state level and if folks from each state want to address their healthcare in any such way - i am supportive of it. I don't like it on a Federal Government level - So I do see a large divide in that comparison.




"But the real bottom line is Obamacare passed both the house and senate and the president signed it...You might not like the way it did but it did. It is the law, like it or not. None of those Republican offers did. Again there are legislative processes to change laws you don't like."

Yes and I agree that the House should not fund it, or make drastic changes to the bill through appropriations or in committee with the Senate to change the Bill -



"BTW in the not so distant past I used to vote GOP exclusively, however, the party I use to vote for no longer exist."
Thats funny - I used to vote D all the time, then I took a job in the private sector and don't see the party I once thought existed. I understand though the more the Fed spends the more likely you will get a raise and I can't blame ya for that.
Thats funny - I used to vote D all the time, then I took a job in the private sector and don't see the party I once thought existed. I understand though the more the Fed spends the more likely you will get a raise and I can't blame ya for that.
 
"I can assure you those Jack Wads in DC have more of my attention than they deserve or have earned.​
I was furloughed one day a week for six weeks this summer because of the Sequester, essentially cutting my pay 20%.​
Now just weeks later, I spent another week as a pawn in their fucking game. Boss told us today that yes we will get paid for it, but they're not sure when.​
The news just broke in and said that unless something is done before mid Oct that VA payments that are suppose to come out 1 Nov won't happen. (At least not on-time).​
So these MFs have my undivided attention."​
Im always sorry to hear that folks lose income and are subject to the ebb and flow of their employer - but with cities going broke, our state and national unfunded liabilities, looking at a 20 trillion debt - Jeff I hate to say, get used to it. Your going to be a pawn for the rest of your career as a Federal Employee​
"And actually I stand corrected on the Republicans not offering anything, actually the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea...and it was Romneycare before it was Obamacare."​
I kinda of put RomneyCare at the state level and if folks from each state want to address their healthcare in any such way - i am supportive of it. I don't like it on a Federal Government level - So I do see a large divide in that comparison.​
"But the real bottom line is Obamacare passed both the house and senate and the president signed it...You might not like the way it did but it did. It is the law, like it or not. None of those Republican offers did. Again there are legislative processes to change laws you don't like."​
Yes and I agree that the House should not fund it, or make drastic changes to the bill through appropriations or in committee with the Senate to change the Bill -​
"BTW in the not so distant past I used to vote GOP exclusively, however, the party I use to vote for no longer exist."​
Thats funny - I used to vote D all the time, then I took a job in the private sector and don't see the party I once thought existed. I understand though the more the Fed spends the more likely you will get a raise and I can't blame ya for that.
 
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