Methow Shutdown

David Dalan

69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E
#31
And how do you pay for this? Less wardens? Increased fees?

How many poachers are just clueless vs knowingly poaching?

I like the idea but the logistics are a nightmare. Whatever test you ran would only be applicable to the entire state. You couldn't even say don't kill wild fish because you can do that on some waters.

I'd rather see that same money invested in enforcement.

Charge for it.

I don't think the class would be difficult.
 
#32
Charge for it.

I don't think the class would be difficult.
Really... one or two sessions of an hour or two a piece could cover a lot of material. Have them take a basic test, and be done with it. Finding volunteers to do this once a month or so wouldn't be remarkably difficult. I'd gladly give my time to such a cause.
 
#33
I'm on your side with this one guys, just playing devils advocate.

Can't do a classroom for out of state anglers.

How much of a hunting license, which is much higher than angling, is because of the classes?

How many of the clueless fisherfolks would just not get a license? Of that number how many of them actually catch salmon/steelhead still not knowing the rules?
 
#34
Can't do a classroom for out of state anglers.
We live in the internet age. I took a very, very long, involved online class for my boater education certification/license. Something like this could be easily set up in this case for both in/out of state anglers. Spend 2hrs doing an online course with a few videos and quizes, then print out your verification and go to the local hardware store and buy your license.


How much of a hunting license, which is much higher than angling, is because of the classes?
None of it, I imagine. I had to pay for my hunter education course when I took it in 1995.

How many of the clueless fisherfolks would just not get a license? Of that number how many of them actually catch salmon/steelhead still not knowing the rules?
Tough to say. How many don't purchase licenses now? I imagine the number would be high at first, but would normalize over time. It's just like the boating certification... Many didn't get it, and got screwed when they tried to launch at popular Puget Sound boat launches this season on a few occasions. Do that with fishing, and over time, people will just do it.
 

golfman44

5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year
#35
Just curious, how many native steelhead do you guys honestly think (just guess) are killed due to anglers not following the regs/proper guidelines etc. each year on the methow?
 
#36
Just curious, how many native steelhead do you guys honestly think (just guess) are killed due to anglers not following the regs/proper guidelines etc. each year on the methow?
Not going to touch that one with a 10' pole.... There's always some mortality, intentional and not. Given that I've never seen a native fish even so much as caught/handled by another party on this river, I have no data to go from.
 

Freestone

Not to be confused with freestoneangler
#37
My suggestion was not about a class for getting a license, it was for a class about the Columbia River Endorsement: why it exists, what it does, what special rules may be in place/area and why, how to check rules, etc. This class wouldn't just apply to steelhead anglers but it is equally important to other anglers, for instance, bass anglers on the lower Columbia who can't understand/don't agree with not being able to use 2 barbed treble hooks on their Wiggle Warts when Endangered Chinook are coming in, etc. (and, yes, that was a real example that I had to argue during a WDFW Advisory Group meeting) A little education and understanding can sometimes do a lot to increase compliance with the various rules throughout the system, for all species and all anglers, not just fly guys on the UC.

And a 'class' doesn't have to mean 'classroom' as the wonderful thing called the Internet makes distance learning/online classes possible, even for out-of-state people.
 
#42
So what is covered specifically for the Columbia endorsement? Barbless hooks aaaaaand?

Now you are talking the same cost but only for a small area.

Classroom wasn't my idea but websites, especially ones like that aren't cheap. Evan, you would know more about than I would. How much does something like the boaters pass site cost?
 

golfman44

5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year
#43
So what is covered specifically for the Columbia endorsement? Barbless hooks aaaaaand?

Now you are talking the same cost but only for a small area.

Classroom wasn't my idea but websites, especially ones like that aren't cheap. Evan, you would know more about than I would. How much does something like the boaters pass site cost?
Well we saw the government just drop 300+million on the healthcare sites and look what that got us
 
#44
Classroom wasn't my idea but websites, especially ones like that aren't cheap. Evan, you would know more about than I would. How much does something like the boaters pass site cost?
A site like that wouldn't cost much at all to host. Probably in the hundreds of dollars per month range. Depends on how much of the content was photo/video. But you can easily host those on other servers like youtube and get around that. Otherwise, a user database and the course content is all you're really storing/sending.