NFR Malaysia Flight 370

What Happened to Malaysia Flight 370?


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Jerry Daschofsky

Moderator
Staff member
#46
I'm still going with the Hiijacking,
My main reasoning is the cell phones ringing through.
If they were dead in the bottom of the ocean, they would have been told "out of service area" or straight to voicemail.

I even double checked with my dad on this one, and he was a lineman for a phone company. I know its land lines, but those guys know a thing or two about mobile as well.

The so called "experts" commenting on this either:
1. Lack Competence
or
2. Are not telling the truth for alternate reasons.
Does your Dad know about airplane altitude vs cell towers vs speed of aircraft? Air mobile is different than land mobile. I was given a briefing on that as well from all the pilots.
 

Red Arch

Active Member
#48
Does your Dad know about airplane altitude vs cell towers vs speed of aircraft? Air mobile is different than land mobile. I was given a briefing on that as well from all the pilots.
So is the plane still moving somewhere in the air?!?!?

I can tell you it is not, so the airspeed and altitude are irrelevant in this case.

I understand the cell signal would carry better near the water due to the physical nature of water, try shooting across lake and you will see what I mean.

Even if the phones were on (and transmitting) and the plane crashed into the ocean, they should go to voicemail as they are out of the service area.
 

Jerry Daschofsky

Moderator
Staff member
#49
So is the plane still moving somewhere in the air?!?!?

I can tell you it is not, so the airspeed and altitude are irrelevant in this case.

I understand the cell signal would carry better near the water due to the physical nature of water, try shooting across lake and you will see what I mean.

Even if the phones were on (and transmitting) and the plane crashed into the ocean, they should go to voicemail as they are out of the service area.
Ok, ask your Dad how my last cell phone, dead from a swim in the Nooch, would ring through as if I had it on yet was water damaged so bad it wouldn't turn on.
 

Red Arch

Active Member
#51
Ok, ask your Dad how my last cell phone, dead from a swim in the Nooch, would ring through as if I had it on yet was water damaged so bad it wouldn't turn on.

Don't need to ask my dad.

You probably did no damage to the transmitter and your battery was still operating, except the screen was fried.

For the record I know a cell phone that went wading for 3 hours, and one that went for a 16 hour swim in a manhole.

The one in the manhole was fine, but would not read the sim card. The one that went wading came back.


Anyway, I think we can agree on one thing. The situation has not been handled that well by any party...
 

Alex MacDonald

that's His Lordship, to you.....
#52
I don't know about how easy it would be to care for (and keep silent) over 200 passengers, if the plane had landed somewhere and was being hidden.
you shoot them. Problem solved. This was a hijacking for some other purpose. If the cretins wanted to make a political statement, that time's long past. If it was just randomly meandering all over the place out of control, somebody would have noticed. and as far as not being able to see where they're flying, most pilots have nav skills and would recognize-with a quick glance out the window-that the usual constellations weren't in the correct place. I don't buy for an instant the "crashed with no survivors" bullshit coming from ANY government anywhere near Malaysia. Incompetent isn't the word.
 

flybill

Purveyor of fine hackle, wine & cigars!
#53
Despite the incompetence of the Malaysian government, I think it's pretty clear now that this plane crashed in a very remote area of the Indian Ocean. It may take years to just find the black boxes, much less any significant amount of the plane! I believe the news this morning said that some of the water they think wreckage is in is very deep water.

As to the plane being hijacked and passengers kept silent, that wouldn't be difficult for a well armed and organized group. Take everything the passengers have on, double and triple check them for hidden cell phones, and stick them in a building that is locked down. Guess I've read too much Tom Clancy, and stuff like that. They could just kill them, but the passengers would be more valuable than the plane.

The hard part would be hiding the plane from satellite coverage looking for it. There are only so many places a plane this big could easily land and then it has to be hidden nearby. Unlikely in my opinion. The real reason the second scenario is unlikely is that no group has taken credit for a hijacking!

or the aliens return the plane intact with everybody on board! You guys thought I might have forgotten that one...

Hopefully they find stuff sooner than later and give the poor families some closure. Unfortunately, I know first hand that this isn't always possible, since my childhood friend and neighbor died in the Alaska Airlines crash off of CA 10 or so years ago. Every time I see news about a plane crash, I think of her. She was a flight attendant and I do miss her.

Bill
 

Paul Huffman

Driven by irrational exuberance.
#54
I posted this last week on the AOPA forums:

"My spy screen play version of events:

Co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid sees a cute girl in a tank top in coach and invites her up to the cabin. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia...ckpit-in-2011/ She agrees, but only if her boyfriend can come up too. She says he'll be real excited because he's working on becoming a pilot. Once in the cabin, she does the "What's this switch do?" trick, and de-pressurizes the cabin, and the boyfriend keeps the crew from grabbing the oxygen masks either by force or knows how to override the oxygen mask deployment system or can cut the oxygen supply to the system. Crew and passengers are incapacitated. No cell phone calls get placed. No radio calls. Maybe Sugar, and the boyfriend are also incapacitated. But there is another accomplice - the disabled guy they wheeled aboard wheezing in spite of his cannula. Now he springs into action and grabs his extra oxygen systems, runs forward and revives Sugar and boyfriend. They start flying, switch off the transponders and everything else they know about. Malaysia, Viet Nam, Cambodia can't reveal to China and Boeing that they have terrible coverage of their own ADIZ (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/.../#.UyNAnIXQzOM so they make up something about where they tracked the aircraft. These military definitely have a hard time painting the 777 because of all its plastic parts. The perps are able to go to a low elevation and fly undetected for hours to an airport where local officials are co-conspirators. However, Brad Pitt eventually finds them, rescues crew and passengers.

Or maybe they use Hamid's gun to shoot out some windows to get a more rapid pressure drop. Then, it's Samuel Jackson and Van Damme, not Brad Pitt, who track them down."
However, I think Goodfellow got it just about perfect in his piece in Wired.

I picked this up from John Stewart a few nights ago. When you start penciling out what it would cost to have a large, armed, well trained conspiracy capable of pulling this off, including payoffs to cooperating government officials, just to get a plane parked in a secret hanger someplace to outfit for another 911 type plane-as-the-weapon type attack, it might be cheaper just to go buy yourself the damn plane.
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/vdjs9d/american-idle-speculation---high-tech-jungle-hijacking
 

Alex MacDonald

that's His Lordship, to you.....
#55
Maybe, maybe not. For what it's worth, there's a gentleman in our cigar club, a retired AF 2-star, who's current job is to oversee the entire drone program (private military contractor). He's familiar with the camera abilities of everything from cellphones to satellites. You'd be surprised at their abilities. The tasking and necessary retasking of same is the reason why they weren't able to find the plane. The satellites weren't looking in that area, according to him.
 

Jerry Daschofsky

Moderator
Staff member
#56
Don't need to ask my dad.

You probably did no damage to the transmitter and your battery was still operating, except the screen was fried.

For the record I know a cell phone that went wading for 3 hours, and one that went for a 16 hour swim in a manhole.

The one in the manhole was fine, but would not read the sim card. The one that went wading came back.


Anyway, I think we can agree on one thing. The situation has not been handled that well by any party...
Yup, mine was dead. Mine went for a swim, but mine sat in a "waterproof" bag that unbeknownst to me was full of water. LOL. So when I finally got off the water and pulled out the bag, it was soaked. Sat for about 8-10 hours I'm guessing. But my wife (then girlfriend) was pissed since she thought I was ignoring her calls. Since it rang and rang until it went to voicemail.
 

GAT

Dumbfounded
#57
Did she send you a message in all caps that read "I'LL HUNT YOU DOWN!"

:)

I guess we shouldn't sidetrack from the fact that there was most certainly loss of life for whatever the reason when the plane went down. That is not a funny matter.
 

David Loy

Senior Moment
#58
I'm not a pilot, but my understanding is that there are many fail safes on a plane like that, and that the pilot had a lot of experience. It seems near impossible to imagine a series of faults that the pilot couldn't recognize and attend, and would lead up to a crash catastrophe in the Southern ocean. Maybe a Paine Stewart scenario but still, hard to imagine. But it's almost as hard to believe that a terrorist (from an organized group anyway) would fly off into the remote, intending to disappear. Who gets to gloat over that. So, I guess my vote is that it's a deranged pilot hoping for Amelia Earhart status.
I too was fascinated with the AE story as a kid.
 
#59
I think they found the plane...lol

Man, are the conspiracy theorists gonna have a field day with this one! Bodies still laying out on the ground, a handful of "rebels" keeping the entire international community away from the crash... and no black box found. Hmm...

Crap, I'm starting to sound like one myself! :rolleyes: