9lb G.L steel

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  1. kruggy1

    kruggy1 New Member

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    Great fish Shotgunner, I did miss them..lol. I give anything to get to tangle with one of those. Again great job!!!!
     
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    Well kerry S if your ever out his way or get the chance to come let me know I will do my best to take you out and try our luck.
     
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    shotgunner Anywhere ~ Anytime

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    kruggy, thanks for the kudos but not mine to accept. You can view them full size in the Spey forum here, threads 'April fools fish' and 'Another slump buster'.

    I wasn't crafty enough to find the means of linking the thumbnail shot.. Getting some tech help now, maybe I can fix it later.

    Again, congrats with yours! April is a big goose egg for me so far. Maybe thursday :)

    Good fishing..
     
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    To me fishing is going out and having a good time. Maybe I'll catch something and maybe I won't. I'm not after a trophy, I just like to get out there and try to fool them very smart fish into thinking what I have on the end of my line as food.

    I have caught Steelhead and also salmon out of the river with flies. I just prefer to fish for trout. It can be 6" or into the pounds. I just enjoy trout fishing better.

    Now, if I could just get all my honey-dos out of the way I could get back out and chase the Browns and Rainbows.

    Jim
     
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    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    Playing inside a dome doesn't count. Real baseball is played outside. :ray1:

    Jim
     
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    I don't even get as stoked about steelhead from Alaska, Oregon, or some rivers in B.C. let alone the GLs. I have specific tastes and they are for Skagit/Sauk and the Stilly fish. I will fish those other places and have a great time but homewaters are always a different thing than far away waters.

    That pig of Ross' is the kind of fish I have been day dreaming about for the last 15 years. I did get one but I want another. ;)
     
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    Thats one thing I have experienced on a fly rod is some good old fashion trout fishing with some nice dries. Here in Ohio we dont have any natural trout only stocked in a couple places so maybe get a chance to try for them. But much luck to you OLD MAN on your upcoming trout adventures and hopes you land a one in a life time size trout.
     
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    "Just accept it." Great answer Dr. Topwater. Okay, since you took my question in the typical defensive fashion, no, I will not just accept it. The question was geared towards Kurt, Salmo, Will or one of the other biologists we have on this site. In fact the this is a technical question, and I thought I made that clear but you seem to have missed the whole boat. From a scientific standpoint, maybe there has been a broadened definition to steelhead and maybe lake run rainbows now are accepted as steelhead by the scientific community. And maybe someone like you who has the balls to tell me to just accept it has no business getting involved in something that from a scientific standpoint completely interests me. I don't give a rat's ass where a big rainbow is landed. A big rainbow whether it be landed in the Sauk or in Ohio is a big rainbow. Ocean going, freshwater running, they are all beautiful to me. You attached the strings to my question and then gave me an uneducated dumbassed answer. More of less "Because I said so". So once again, someone who knows what the hell they are talking about, are lake running rainbows who grow up in an area as large as the Great Lakes and then run rivers to spawn now known in the scientific community as steelhead? I also thought about the fact that the Great Lakes have to have some saltwater input in them and maybe this is enough to trigger the sea going instincts? Just throwing it out there. Coach
     
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    What impresses me about the GLs is the success story that the pacific salmon and steelhead/lake run rainbows have had.
    the GLs and the rivers that flowed into the GLs were wasted, not wasted beyond repair and now have been repaired and have great runs of fish in them.
    Kinda makes me wonder what is wrong with the picture here in the PNW.
    Maybe we (the PNWners) need to take a lesson in fish management.
    Just something to think about.
     
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    Kruggy1 sorry for the test hijack...shotgunner like this? Ross' April Fools photo went in fine. Golfman65's required resizing down to "tiny" in photobucket to make it come up as an image. Not going in as thumbnails, not sure why. Maybe because I've pirated the photos from somewhere else?

    Kruggy1, Ross and Golfman65, all damn nicel looking fish no matter what they are called!
     

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    Mumbles a valient effort.. but same results :) When entered correct they should be clickable and go into fullsize. If I could find these pics in the gallery a URL for the 'linked thumbnail' is there.. I cannot figure out how to find them though :mad:

    Some magnificient fish.. I wanted to include option of viewing them full size.

    All good things come to an end.. Our fish numbers & average weights have been declining on Lakes Michigan & Huron.. Suspected culprit, forage base dropping due to invasive zebra and quaga mussels feasting the plankton, disrupting the chain. Hopefully it will right itself.. Our Chinook are taking the worst hit so far.

    Saw an interesting piece in out local news a few days ago. Guys charter fishing off CA coast for giant squid, which supposedly are on the rise [population] It was specualted that the reason could be a lack of predator fish..
     
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    Hey guys, I caught this buck in Gl trib full of "Fecal Grease Balls". I think it was Pooper Creek flowing into Lake Stinky but I can't remember right, I was pretty drunk. :D
     

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    I don't think that the GL's have indians netting them. If all the nets were pulled out of Washington waters we would have big fish runs also. Before judge Boldt there were good fish runs and after Boldt there was a major decline.

    Jim
     
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    At what expense? The GLs did not have steelhead or Pacific salmon until someone introduced them. I know enough to know when a species is brought into an enviroment that it did not previously inhabit something must give. The steelhead and salmon replaced something that was native to the GLs. Some native species must have payed a price for thier success.
     
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    if coastal or puget sound rivers had half the survival of great lakes hatchery / wild "steelhead" we wouldn't even be worried about steelhead.... we'd all be out hammering huge run sizes even with netting.

    the survival % is huge... if i remember correct one river was planted with 90,000 smolts and sees approx 20,000 return (there are some wilds mixed in).... but that's just recollection (non phd) but with the fishing i saw i can believe it.

    and here's a pretty rainbow for all

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    Looks like we got a Topwater/Coach Duff cage match on our hands.

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    Apples and oranges.
     
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    ...looks more like a football to me.

    They are what they are. And I could think of a hundred things worse than hooking into one.:D
     
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    Yes that is a nice looking fish. I lived the Great Lakes fishing culture for many years. I burned out on the hatchery mentality and the negative impacts of all of the steelhead and salmon and brown trout being planted every year. Financially it has created a multi billion dollar Great Lakes fishing industry. Ecologically I think it is a bust. Between the idiotic money-based approach of the agencies involved, the combat style fishing in many places, and the incongruity of these fish being planted there to begin with, I never really enjoyed the fishing as much as some do. I always knew there were real sea run wild steelhead out west. I just did not understand how few or how diminished. I had a lot to learn after coming to the pacific northwest.

    The Steelhead that I knew of in the Lake Ontario tributaries in particular were Altmar Hatchery fish. The original strains were I believe Skamania Steelhead from Washington. I have had many dozen or more fish days swinging flies for these fish. They are notoriously lock-jawed. And the regional fishermen came up with a gear fishing technique for the flyrod that employed using Amnesia red leader butt to a slinky weight, then terminal short leader, to drift glo-bugs, drifted right into the fish's mouth. That is gear fishing with a flyrod, and also a proven snagging/lining technique. Another reason why I left in disgust. The "steelhead" are now spawning in just about every single drainage, creek, stream, river, irrigation trench and toilet bowl anywhere near the lakes. The feral component to the runs easily eclipses some of the hatchery counted runs now. Ample evidence that these fish can survive if given half a chance. But then so can cockroaches.

    The preceeding posts unearthed an old and very tired arguement over these fish and their life history in freshwater or saltwater development. Back when Trey Combs wrote his first Steelhead Trout book he erroneously noted the upper Kvichak River rainbows as being "sea run steelhead trout". This caused a big fuss up in Juneau at AKDF&G and they had to spend some serious dollars researching these fish, sampling etc. The conclusion was that the upper Kvichak River rainbows- easily some of the most electrifyingly hot Bows you will ever catch- are enjoying nearby Lake Iliamna as their "ocean" and they are not sea run fish. And so AKDF&G identifies those fish as "Rainbow Trout" and manages them on that basis.

    I think of the Great lakes fish in much the same way. But this has not stopped people from hyping the Great Lakes fish as the real thing. Once anyone familiar with Pacific coastal salmonids sees the bland, greyish white flesh of one of the Great Lakes steelhead, ( or the GL pacific salmon), the blush comes off of the rose. This does not make them any less fun to play and land and release. Im sure they would be just as much fun to compost too.

    My best Great Lakes fish was a 47 pound king salmon on a nine weight Sage RPLX. I released it, and all of the steelhead I caught there too, not because of a need for conservation- they number in similar overall populational mass to cockroaches- but out of disgust. What the hell good are they really? I have had some great fun playing the Great Lakes steelhead, rainbows...whatever they want to call them. I dont think of them as real steelhead myself. And I dont see much of the Great Lakes fly fishing approach as real flyfishing either. But what's in a name?

    No matter what they call them you wont catch me working hundreds of volunteer hours for restorarion of their habitats and spawning numbers this year.
     

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