Any cheetahs here?

Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by Evan Virnoche, Jan 17, 2014.

  1. Evan Virnoche Guest

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    So what is everyones preferred method to bulk up the profile with flies?

    I have been tying for about 1 week, and almost never follow rules. This may be a bad thing. I normally see a fly and just try to tie it while reserching techniques online.

    Has anyone had expirience using the soft discs from pro tubes? seems like the easiest way to maintain large profile flies.

    As of right now i have tried spinning dubbing in and or clumping arctic fox. I feel like i waste so much arctic fox in the process.

    i only really tie on pro tubes is there any disadvantage to this?

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  2. Jason Chadick A Fish, A Fish, A Fishy, Oh...

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    If you like using marabou, you can always tie it in reverse. Some people think it looks ugly, but it cuts down on material, therefore it sinks better than adding a bunch of artic fox. On top of that, I've seen some really cool looking reverse marabou flies.
  3. Jason Chadick A Fish, A Fish, A Fishy, Oh...

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    Are you using the artic fox in a dubbing loop? I've found that I can get away with using less in a dubbing loop than by clumping.
  4. porterHause Just call me Jon

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    Skagit Master 1...watch Ed Ward spin some deer hair collars.
  5. Freestone Not to be confused with freestoneangler

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    Cheetahs? I thought you were looking for a date with an older man, lol. Not that there is anything wrong with that but I was going to suggest craigslist...

    Cheetah

    1. Male version of a Cougar.
  6. Joe Goodfellow Active Member

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    Now that's funny
  7. plaegreid Saved by the buoyancy of citrus

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    I prefer the term Manther.
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  8. underachiever !

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    This is what I do too. You still end up "wasting" some as you pull the fibers out when you brush the fox but it works well and you don't go through a crazy amount.

    Another thing I like to use as a prop for marabou is polar chenille. My tying is nothing to strive for but here's one that has the spun fox at that rear(with ostrich) and the polar chenille to prop the marabou at the front.
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  9. Eyejuggler Beech Nut

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  10. Pat Lat Mad Flyentist

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    Its ok Evan I'll translate. He's looking for methods other than the traditional ones that he may or may not doing correctly, in order to obtain a larger profile with less time at the bench, and essentially "cheat" . Hence the thread title.
    Don't be a cheatah Evan tie a collar of spun calf tail behind the fox and marabou
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  11. Dave Evans Active Member

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    Use a collar of spun deer hair behind the marabou. You can even match the color of the hair to the fly.
  12. Pat Lat Mad Flyentist

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    Only thing I don't like about deer hair collars is that it doesn't sink well, calf tail also comes in lots of colors and its less bouyant
  13. Evan Virnoche Guest

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    Thanks everyone for the pouinters
  14. golfman44 Coho Queen

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    I usually put a bunch of glo bugs on my tubes then put the marabou around it. Nice thick profile.

    Then when I hit the river I trim off all the marabou and rope chromers
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  15. Jamie Wilson Active Member

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    I have noticed the same thing. I think there are some 'underwing' techniques that can increase the profile without making the fly too buoyant. I'm no expert on this - but others here are
  16. Dave Evans Active Member

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    Yeah, I should have added that I use eyes or cones on many of my winter patterns. I use the deer hair on intruder-like patterns with the dumbbells.
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  17. Darthmonkey Active Member

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    The discs do work to an extent, but for building a large profile it is still hard to beat fur spun into a dubbing loop. So far the best stuff I've used that accomplishes this task very well is Raccoon. It is relatively stiff, translucent, and doesn't require a whole huge clump to be spun in order to get that effect you want. Scott Howell sells "Steely Coon" on his website, which is essentially the same stuff, just dyed a whole lot better than what you'd find in most shops. Here's a video of him tying up a Squidro using the steely coon. As you can clearly see, it works.



    Jerry French does something similar with turkey quill and dubbing mixes, the results are pretty cool and they work too. Here is a side by side of one of Jerry's flies (On the right) and one of mine tied with the raccoon. Both flies have multiple days and multiple hook-ups, sorry if they look chewed up.

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  18. sopflyfisher Active Member

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    the above has some good advice. i try to " build " my fly in layers and use a minimum amount of material at each step. you shouldn't go through too much fox as less is more. you want to really back it up against the dubbing or chenille bump. and don't wrap back on it, leave it wild. another material you want to check out its American possum. stiffer shinier, and holds less water than fox. also pick out the under fur. fingers are all o generally use but a comb may be helpful. i do not use deer hair as it is boyant. i generally am going for least material, fast sinking, and above all else lively movement and profile. i cannot overstate how less is more for life in a fly. pm me with specifics o can txt you photos if you like.
  19. Jason Chadick A Fish, A Fish, A Fishy, Oh...

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    Another trick that hasn't been mentioned yet is palmering guinea behind the marabou, ala Hohbo Spey; more guinea = bigger profile. If you can tie a wooley bugger you can palmer guinea quickly and easily. It's also pretty darn cheap, even for the large stuff.