Any Sage LL owners?

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  1. obiwankanobi

    obiwankanobi Active Member

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    I keep hearing about how great this particular rod model was when Sage released it years ago. With all the hype surrounding the LL series, these rods are selling for more now than they did brand new. What are your thoughts and opinions of them?
     
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    Owned the 4 weight 711 since 7th grade. Love the action and its still my favorite dry fly rod I've used. An absolute pleasure to cast. Not sure what they go for now used, but there is no way I would sell mine.

    My biggest complaint is that I bought mine before the lifetime warranty became established.
     
  3. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    If as your signature suggests, you truly love fast action rods, then the LLs are probably not gonna be your cup of tea. They're about as far from fast as you can imagine a graphite rod to be, with a relaxed yet precise medium action. That's the reason they're so popular - and expensive: you don't need to have a fighter pilot's reflexes to pull off a beautiful cast. Most LLs were built in shorter lengths, making them an ideal rod for finesse fishing in small water for picky fish. I spent a blissful hour with a friend's mint 711 3wt on a 4000 foot lake a few weeks back while he fished with my Leonard Duracane 7-1/2' bamboo. His LL was one of the best-casting plastic rods I've ever fished.

    K
     
  4. KerryS

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    I got a 3 weight LL. I bought it new when Sage discontinued the line at a discount. I love it and don't think I would part with it for anything. And Kent I am also a fan of fast and faster rods. Still the little 389 LL is one of my favorites. It is as smooth casting a rod as any I own.
     
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    one of the very best rods sage ever discontinued. marketting somehow got in the way of continuing to produce a superior product. they fish wonderfully, have a 3 and a 5wt. these are small water rods casting the smallest of the small flies to those trout which have seen everything you or i have ever tied.
     
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    I have two LL's, a 7'11" 4wt and a 9' 5wt. I love the 7'11" 4wt for smaller stream dry fly fishing. It has a sweet smooth action that is perfect for this application. The 9' 5wt LL is a nice rod, enjoyable to cast, and more versatile than the shorter 4wt, but I don't love it as much as the SP in the same length, or my all time favorite the Winston BIIx............
     
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    I wonder about the cost/benefit analysis for that decision, especially given the demand on the secondary market. At least so far, Winston seems to view this type of rod, the WT-series (formerly IM6) and the customers that prefer them as an essential part of their product portfolio. I also wonder how long that will last...

    I've never had the pleasure of meeting a Sage LL but I have several Winston IM6 and WT's that I really like. Another I'm looking forward to trying is one of the Burkheimer DAL series, probably a 490-4 DAL.

    Tried glass and bamboo but they didn't quite speak to me other than the aesthetics. Slower graphite seems just about right for my crappy casting stroke.
     
  8. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    I think you need to buy one to find out for yourself.....:rofl:
     
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    Have the 9' 4wt. LL. A sweet rod. Taught my younger son to cast with it.
     
  10. Go Fish

    Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    Obi you've got me thinking about one...
    Slow, delicate, is dry fly personafied.

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    I have a 3, 4, and two 5's. You can have them when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers!
     
  12. obiwankanobi

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    The reasoning behind my inquiry is this, I had the opportunity to purchase a Sage LL 389-4 which I believe is one of the rods that Sage reissued in a very limited supply (500). After hearing opinions exactly like what Kerry stated and everyone else who chimed in, I could not let this deal slip away. I will match it with a Selective Trout II line and this should be perfect for dry fly fishing on some of the smaller bodies of water here in MT.
     
  13. Kirk Singleton

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    I have the 7 1/2' 3 weight LL. LOVE IT. My friend has a 9' 4wt LL and I need to get him to sell it to me one of these days.
     
  14. Kent Lufkin

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    The reissue 389-4LL is a fine rod (I owned #051), but IMHO not in the same league as the 389-5SP or the original shorter LLs such as the 711s like the 3wt I mentioned earlier. I sold my 389-4LL to finance a 489-5SP and loved it so much I bought the same rod in 3 and 5wts. For me, the bottom line ws that their slower, deliberate actions were a much better fit with my own crappy casting stroke. BTW, I'd heard later that Sage never did make a 389-4LL in their original LL production run and that the reissue was a sort of cobbled-up LL taper rejiggered into the now-popular 4-piece configuration. Not sure if that's true or not, but by far most of the original edition LLs in 3 and 4wt I've run across are in shorter lengths and in 2- or 3-piece configurations.

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    Kent,

    Thanks much for providing your insight on this rod. I don't know anything about a possible taper variance between the reissued rods vs the original LL tapers. Given that this rod will also go backbacking with me, I would prefer the more contemporary 4 piece version.
     
  16. oldskool

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    I built a 4wt, 9ft with the late John Propp. Great rod, still use it today. Didn't know that they were selling for more.
     
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    I just checked. Mine is a 379LL 2 piece. original edition.
     
  19. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    I saw that rod too and my first reaction was the price seems pretty high, which may be why it's still for sale. As a comparison, my friend paid $165 last summer for his 379LL. He got it along with a Sage click reel with an extra spool for just over $300. Admittedly, he got a deal. But I think a reasonable price for a good condition original LL would be in the $300-$350 range these days, plus or minus a bit.

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    Kent,

    I was talking a fly shop owner today that sold a friends 4711 LL for $565 to a buyer in Bozeman without even having to auction it off on Ebay. A 490 LL is currently at $490 right now on Ebay with over 2 days left until the auction closes. The average price, assuming its a 3 piece or 4 seems to be right around this range so since your friend was able to purchase his below this price, he got a great deal.

    Just a quick check on CL today and a person locally has a WTB add for a 379 LL so this only provides more evidence about the current demand for this rod.

    What is interesting is that many claim that this rod has a similar action to that of a bamboo rod so given the inflated price, I wonder why more people just don't buy a grass rod.
     

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