Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by Jim Wallace, Jan 9, 2013.
With an avatar like yours how could we doubt you?
Finally...the "voice from the back of the room" speaks up! I'll have to take your recommendation to heart, your moniker being what it is.
I have some olive-dyed Mallard Flank and olive deer hair, and I really need to practice spinning deer hair...so that I can tie up some Muddlers. Those will be good tying practice, when I get around to 'em. Suddenly, my "to do" list looks like its getting way ahead of me again!
That's a nice one, Jack. Thanks for whipping it up and posting the pic.
Those of us who fasten feather and fur to hook don't want to admit it but there is only a handful of flies that we really need. The muddler is certainly in that handful.
The barring in the olive mallard will do well to replicate the barring in the stickleback.... One cutthroat lake that I fish has a lot of stickleback in it and I find that an olive woolly bugger with a barred marabou tail works magic. Easier to tie than muddlers too!
Words of wisdom!!
Not to prolong this thread too much but Bob Newman hit it early on when he suggested the Rolled Muddler. But is is always fun to try something different at the vise.
The Rolled Muddler is a pattern that I have used for trout (mostly browns) since the early 70's when it first became popular. I only just found out that it was developed by Tom Murray specifically for cutthroat trout and meant to imitate salt water beach sticklebacks.
Again referring to Art Lingren's book, there are some very interesting anecdotes about the rolled muddler. Well worth the read if you get the chance.
I just dug out an old fly wallet of mine and found my rolled muddler stash. Most of them are a bit chewed up and the hooks a bit rusty. Time to make up a new supply.
Photo: Muddler with some well rolled Rolled Muddlers.
Here is the pattern for the Rolled Muddler:
Hook: #12 Mustad 9671 (2x long) Note: I think a 9672 (3x long) works too.
Tail: Light Mallard
Body: Silver Mylar
Rib: Oval tinsel, reverse wrapped
Wing: Rolled or slender strips of light Mallard flank feather
Head: Deer hair, spun and clipped with a few strands of deer hair extending down along the body. Use red tying thread and tie deer hair in so that there is some red thread showing behind and n front of the head.
Originator: Tom Murray
I don't think Art Lingren will mind me passing on this pattern from his book.
In my bunch of fly tying stuff I came across these feathers which I think will make perfect wings for a stickleback pattern. Looks good. Can anyone name these feathers? I'll be darned if I can remember what they are.
These are even better but I know what they are: Golden Pheasant Center Tail.
I think those are peacock quills.
You may be right. I just can't remember. I'm hoping Mark Mercer takes a look - he'll know.
Mottled turkey quill.
Good call Pat.... Mottled Peacock Secondary Wing Quills. I think the Rolled Muddler would be hard to beat as a pattern. As hard as GP tail is to work with, it would look really cool, hummmm....Jack, I think you ought to tie one up and show us.
At first I thought the same thing especially as I had the feathers mixed in with a bunch of definite turkey feathers. I knew they were something a bit more "exotic" though.
Thanks for your reply.
Thanks Mark. I was hoping you would see them.
I'm going to try the peacock and the GP and tie up a few.
Jack, Great! Don't forget to show us the results.
Here is a comparison photo: Known Turkey on the left, feather-in-question on the right.
Similar for sure but I now am positive is peacock..
Oy! Before I saw your picture I would have bet the farm but now I am convinced that you, Pat, and Mark are correct.
Definitely Peacock. Don't tell Mark but I went on Lamplight Feathers website and looked at their peacock to confirm.