Actually I was referring to the lower end Grangers like the Champion,Victory and Stream and Lake. I have cast the higher end Grangers and cannot tell the difference. Also, Granger Rods are more expensive then the Wright Mcgill Granger Rods. Some people claim there is no difference between the two,but I think Granger rods are a bit slower. My point is a person can buy a quality bamboo rod for less then what they would pay for a top end graphite. I just hope that people do not start figuring out how good some of the 60's fiber glass rods cast. I would hate to have to start paying over $150 for the top quality rods ,even though some are more expensive the that. This has been a great discussion. P.S. Where I really fell in love with fishing bamboo was on the Blackfoot River with a Stream and Lake that I purchased for $325. I was going to sell it. Then I went to fish the Blackfoot and it was the only rod I had brought with me. About hafe way through the day I came to realize that I really liked this rod. I liked it so much I bought another one and Victory also. Fishing the Blackfoot with Bamboo just feels so right. I am sure Norman Maclean would agree with me. Tight Lines, Mark Harris.