My karma is really going to suffer for this one, the negative energy this post inspired was unintended. I do not deny that I consider myself a purist of sort Bob, and I am proud of it, perhaps like you. I would not try to convert the next guy to flyfishing- because there are plenty of us jerknuts out there already preaching our greatness. I mean everyone knows we're elitist - hisory is not on our side. Like the missionaries trying to kill native religions to convert them to Jesus- it does more harm than good. I am not always proud to be associated with flyfishing. My feeling is those pipe toting chalk stream guys need a good rousing now and again- some sort of rough comment from a rural feller such as myself to get their blood moving a little. mAybe a good kick in the a$$. Yet I subscribe to many of their beliefs- C&R, barbless, etc etc. I keep myself sane by telling myself that at least I don't have any money, so I can't possibly be as big a jerk as that pompous orvis dude. Its a love-hate self-loathing contradiction. Everything is.