Are You a Wild Steelhead Advocate?

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  1. Rich Simms

    Rich Simms Active Member

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    Nooooo I am a Native Steelhead advocate, seems to be a shortage of us.
     
  3. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    I'm with ya! ( nativefishsociety.org )
     
  4. Dan Page

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    Everyone who fishes needs to consider supporting at least one group that works for conservation and restoration of fisheries. For just a few bucks--less than the price of a tank of gas you'd spend on a fishing trip--you can have an affect.
    Don't let the day come when it's too late bawling: and you wished you'd have gotten involved in that fight.
     
  5. Joepa

    Joepa Joe from PA

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    Are You a Wild Steelhead Advocate? ...not the kind that contributes to a front-page fish porn article in the Seattle Times that characterizes the Queets as a "stronghold of wild steelhead". God knows how many f-ing fish that article killed.
     
  6. Dan Page

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    Joepa,
    What you done lately for the cause?
    WSC and others are at least putting out an effort. Besides, the article may have put a few more fishermen on the Queets, but how did it contribute to kill? It's all C&R on the Queets in the park for wild fish.
    No offense here, I just get tired of hearing complaints about things being bad, complaints about those who are a trying, yet sit on their ass and do nothing.
     
  7. Joepa

    Joepa Joe from PA

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    Dan -

    I've done volunteer work as a member of the Bellevue "stream team" and participated in other volunteer efforts over the years related to habitat restoration. When the park solicited feedback regarding the decision to restore access to the upper river, I responded asking them to keep the area closed to reduce fishing pressure and things like incidental hook mortality (you do realize that catch and release is not tantamount to “no kill”, correct?). No doubt, as someone who occasionally swings a fly in waters inhabited by native fish, I’m part of the problem. I don’t typically make it a point to criticize folks that do conservation work unless they’re also involved with promoting an activity that directly negatively affects the fish they’re trying to protect or misclassify the status of a given population. I can’t see how increased pressure of any type can be equated with “conservation”. Maybe I’m being too cynical, but human nature tells me otherwise.
     
  8. Rich Simms

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    Joepa, It’s too bad there are residual feelings at hand, I value criticism and understanding points of view, however, flippant insults do not provide for a healthy exchange in understanding those view points and working together for the fish in which we both obviously have a passion and care about. Regardless, thanks for being involved.
     
  9. Leopardbow

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    Bump.
     
  10. pugetsoundangler

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    I just read over this thread as I am a steelhead advocate and belong to the WSC, Native Fish Society and Long Live the Kings. This post caught my attention as the "dead head" who is apparently a advocate and member of the Native Fish Society needs to figure out who he is bashing. First of all, I don't make a lot of money and when I do have enough to pass along I tend to send it to the groups with little to no operating overhead. Apparently, Joepa has it all figured out and knows what each and every groups has accomplished over the last 10 years. I do like the Native Fish Society, and Long Live the Kings but the WSC spends 100% of its donations on the fish. They don't have a paid staff yet as far as I know and all the work is done by the board of directors. One thing I do know, is if you spend any time in Olympia or around the UW School of Fisheries the WSC is very well respected. I would hate to see where steelhead would be today if these grass roots groups had not been formed. Its a bummer when someone who belongs to an organization I support "NFS" bashes another group because of a newspaper article. When was the last time you any press about steelhead on a big time newspaper. Yes it is never fun to see a river we fish highlighted on the front page but the WSC's intention was to get a conservation based article about the problems steelhead are facing. Thanks to the author, they got a different spin on much of the article. My point is that the WSC isn't like all the other groups and they do the best they can which is actually pretty impressive with a group of volunteers and a board of directors. How much of our donations to NFS are spent paying for things that do not directly support the fish? easy answer right? I think the WSC has a list of accomplishments on their website or I saw it in an article but it is pretty mindblowing and hard to see how it can be done with only volunteers. Imagine what they could do with more funds. Well I am going to continue sending my annual memberships to the 3 groups listed but if I had to chose one it would be the WSC. Hopefully Joepa will take the time to sit back look over the facts before he jumps to conclusions. I was at the WSC's last event in September at UW and really respect their ability to act as a conservation group and not a fishing club. One can learn a lot from hanging around that crew. Well keep on supporting the groups you believe in and give back as much as you take. To end this there is also a new article in NWFF on steelhead conservation by Jack Berryman. Who is he? A WSC board member. I haven't seen any other groups writing these type of article lately. Lets all just agree to disagree.
     
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    I don't think he proclaimed he was a member of the Native Fish Society, he was merely expressing his opinion as you have that there is mortality in CNR fisheries as well.
     
  12. Joepa

    Joepa Joe from PA

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    No, I’m not jumping to any conclusions about any given groups. I’m still pissed off about a certain article that’s all. My apologies Rich – my response was too cavalier and unfair to you. On the balance I’m sure you’ve done great work and will continue to do so in the future along with the orgs to which belong.
     
  13. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    The WSC was not responsible for how that article was written, edited or printed. They provided all kinds of factual information to support a responsible journalistic effort toward real public education on our wild steelhead. Instead the author smoothed it all over and the paper ran a very fluffy little story with no real effort to cover the bases as far as facts. The article made the WSC look less concerned over our wild steelhead. That was not what anyone expected. Pretty weak journalism.

    Since 2000 the WSC has done nothing but champion the cause of conserving and restoring our wild steelhead. The ongoing work has been truly backbreaking as so many board members have set aside private and monetary interests to serve the needs at hand. Back in 2000 you could legally harvest 5 wild steelhead per day, and up to 30 wild steelhead per season. The WSC was instrumental in prodding WDFW into an outright moratorium on wild steelhead harvest statewide. Unfortunately the mob of slobs won out for continued harvest. And so it goes.

    The WSC has my total support and respect.
     
  14. Stewart

    Stewart Skunk Happens

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    Truest, most appropriate thing posted on this board, ever.:thumb:
     
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    I too am a 100% supporter of the WSC and the issues they take on daily. I truly wish EVERY angler would step up and support an organization like the WSC or the Native Fish Society.

    Joepa,
    Have you talked with the WSC about the article you mention? How about the reporter who wrote the piece? How about the editor of the paper? It's a shame isn't it...
     
  16. Joepa

    Joepa Joe from PA

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    From the Joepa PR Damage Control Department…JoePa sincerely regrets his derisive and ill advised response calling into question the motives of Rich Simms, the WSC, or any other conservation group in the “Are You a Wild Steelhead Advocate?” post. Clearly, time has not chastened his initial frustration regarding the Times article and he wishes to extend his apologies to all those he offended on the WFF board. Lindy V. Mapes, wherever you are…shame on you too.
     
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    Joepa,
    Hey man, I see your true heart is for the fish. :thumb:
    That is what counts and it's for sure a challenge for us humans to get it together to come up with something that really moves things forward.
    Attitude is everything and what eventually produces results.
    Dan.
     
  18. ChrisW

    ChrisW AKA Beadhead

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    Nice Joepa. Without a background on this it would be easy to assume WSC had a lot to do with the article in question. From what I read on this site, the members of WSC were quite offended by the article and wrote more than one quite pointed retort.

    Did WSC ever get a response from Ms. Mapes?

    CW
     

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