Sorry about calling you Freda, my grandpa was an Evans so I guess the Freda just subconsciously stuck out as seperate. Fred instead? fae? The thing about the incident I'm referencing ( http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_8100/is_20090211/ai_n51360133/?tag=rel.res1 ) is that the guy was just cross country skiing down a road near a campground, and this father and son beat him and then strangled him leaving in his SUV thinking they had killed him. He was on a public road. He would have died if a couple more people wouldn't have found him. He easily could have been a fisherman on some other road/river. Sadly we don't have to go looking for dangerous situations, sometimes they come for us and each person decides for themselves whether they will be ready to fight back even if you die trying or just hope it never happens.