My narrow and short two person frame was a bit tight and when wanting to have a friend front and back or for taking family trips of length I wanted more room. Riverman wanted to downsize. We swapped frames. My new to me frame arrived this evening and after everyone was in bed I put it together (about 90 minutes because I'm not that smart) and then another hour or so messing around with it. First photo: (needs some parts, casting floors front and rear, mount the bags, yada yada yada...) This thing is SOOOO Much BIGGER than my former frame and tubes. I hope that is a good thing.