NFR But is Saltwater related. Giant Pacific Octopus

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  1. Mark Yoshida

    Mark Yoshida Active Member

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    A friend of mine from work is a diver who sent this to me today after we discussed the newspaper article about the young man that killed the GPO. I have seen some of his photographs and he mentioned this video by a woman that shows a GPO from this location. I thought it was an excellent video showing this wonderful sea life in our backyard. There is also a petition about protecting these animals at this location.


    http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/giantpacificoctopus/
     
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  2. Chris Bellows

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    i have been following this story and while i think it was unwise of this person to harvest an octopus in such a public diving area, he did nothing illegal and the dive communities reaction to this has been one of the worst displays of internet bullying i have ever seen. check out this thread on the northwest dive club site:
    http://www.nwdiveclub.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19454

    personally, i think the dive community is its own worst enemy. their overreaction to this legal harvest (and the illegal harassment of someone within their rights to harvest) should not result in this area being set aside as a reserve. i would have probably been in favor of setting this area aside before seeing the way divers behave and think about harvest. i have been on the side of marine reserves because i thought they could provide some protected habitat but i know realize that the dive community is militant about shutting down huge areas of our marine areas for their own private use. they are no different than militant animal rights activists, and i cannot believe how crazy they are.

    this story showed how out of the mainstream the dive community is and we should not support any part of their agenda, including creating a dive park in cove 2.

    chris
     
  3. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    That young man will gain some experience for future actions.
     
  4. Mark Yoshida

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    My only intent was to show a great video by a young lady with artistic skills.
    I don't dive or swim. As for the website, I never get into political crap. To each his/her own opinions.
    I hope the person that is proposing the change is going about it correctly, hopefully in a proper way to officials.
    As for clarification, my friends photos are of underwater animals and sea life, and not any posted of the young man in question.

    MODS can of course close or delete this posting as they see fit.
     
  5. Chris Bellows

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    the video was nice, but you posted a link to the divers' petition to close this area based on the illegal harassment of a licensed harvester and an internet witch hunt. my point is that people should realize who is behind the petition and why one should think twice about signing a petition pushed by divers that illegally harass and threaten licensed harvesters. closing this area will only embolden their aggressive tactics and that would be a bad thing.

    it is one thing to have a discussion about harvest, it is another to threaten, stalk, and harm someone you disagree with on legal harvest.
     
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    Then why didn't you just post the video and leave the petition link out? This driver is getting harassed for doing nothing illegal. Kind of the same way a few people here are harassed for legally harvesting a non-clipped Coho. I personally think the GPO should be protected, but as long as it is legal and all the laws are followed then he is within his rights and should not be harassed.
     
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    After viewing some of postings, I totally agree most of the postings are inappropriate. That should not negate the petition or the manner it is being presented. Maybe I was being political and didnt realize.
     
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    supporting this petition at this particular time will only embolden these tactics in closing marine areas statewide.
     
  9. Pat Lat

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    I disagree, the petition is to make an area a safe zone and would restrict the harvest of one species in that specific area, what is wrong with that, even if they did make it a sanctuary for all species it would only strengthen our fisheries as marine preserves often do.
     
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    Then the petition should be strong enough to stand on its own, and not need questionable pictures of a legally harvested animal to support it.

    KC
     
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    i believe it is, the fact that the pictures sparked a flame under the public to create a sanctuary for the GPO is negligeble in the argument, if it needed to be discussed it needed to be discussed plain and simple. And how are you supposed to get a pic of an illegally harvested one when it isn't illegal. What they are trying to do here is give the GPO a little protection. They may have gotten a little heated, just as I would when seeing a legally harvested wild steelhead on the ONP.
     
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    Bullcrap. That's what they did in California. They created marine preserves under the guise that only a potions of the coast would be off limits to fishing. They then proceeded to make preserves of all the rocky inshore points, as well as large portions of the Channel and the Farallon Islands, effectively eliminating all rock fish fishing. The only thing left was sandy beach or deep water reefs. Tough to catch a black, blue or olive rock fish on the fly in those areas.
     
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    It sparked more than a flame. The guy lost his job and his family received death threats over legally harvesting an octopus. He was staked on the internet to the point he obtained a lawer and is probably going to sue, as he should. Just a sampling of the stuff posted on that cite.

    "Let him get fills...just fills with 10%...enough for him to not notice until he goes to visit the wizard...and the octopus can do as she will with him."

    "This kid was a total punk. He threatened to come back and harvest another one tomorrow, so if anyone happens to be at Cove 2 in the near future, please be on the lookout for a red Ford Ranger and give him a piece of your mind."

    "Can you enhance your pictures and see the VIP stickers on his tanks?"

    "If you can verify that plate picture, I'll run his plate."

    "So......... Anyone wanna dive C2 tomorrow to see if this <expletive deleted> is there?"

    "I did a little digging and found the guy. I don't feel comfortable naming names here publicly for several reasons, but rest assured he is a shining example of a human being in every way. I will call around to the local dive shops and see if I can at the very least have them talk to the guy about not being a douchenugget,"

    "Karma usually seems to find its way back to people. Other people seem to have a knack for facilitating that process."

    "So I was able to find this guy in Facebook, and he has a picture of a speargun (among many other guns) and mentions that he uses it "off alki and edmonds underwater park. depends what im going after."
     
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    Yeah I read the forum posts, how they feel about him personally I don't really care. But I don't believe that it is unreasonable to create marine preserves for in our area.
     
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    There are a couple preserves, and I dont disagree that Cove 2 should be a preserve, or a sanctuary for certain animals. It probably should be with the amount of use it gets. I just hate that none of the people using that area gave a shit about going through the motions of submitting the paperwork or petitioning the state until some kid came through and legally harvested an animal there. If the area is that special to those people they should have done it years ago.
     
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    well put
     
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    well said, and there should be a cooling off period before we make a decision on it based on the behavior of the dive community. remember, it is specifically against the law to harass someone who is legally hunting or fishing in this state. i hope the kid is able to make some of these internet pussies pay.
     
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    I think the problem will take care of itself. After he chews on this Octopus long enough to eat the whole thing, I don't think he will be back for seconds.....
     
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