Carrying firearms while fishing

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Steve Vaughn, Nov 4, 2010.

  1. Steve Saville Active Member

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    I don't carry because I've seen what a gun can do up close and personal. I wonder how many of you guys have. I think a lot of guys who carry do it because it looks "good". If you're afraid to go there then stay home. If you're going to carry, then you'd better be prepared to use it and suffer the consequences after.
  2. Rod Wittner Active Member

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    Jim, you could not have made more sense. Besides, it's not a very good idea to show up to a gun fight with nothing more than clenched fists. You may find yourself dead and the tweaker never to be found.

    Protect the 2nd Amendment. Join the NRA.
  3. slupot New Member

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    Pimp slap an angry bear and get mauled, or you can just shoot near it and it will run away. As for shooting people, that is obviously the last resort, when your life in immediate danger, and other forms of deterent do not work, like pimp slapping, or avoiding the situation entirely. Carrying may come in handy if you get lost, or stranded hiking into remote places to fish, and could help you obtain food in these situations. Most law abiding people who carry firearms are not the ones causing the problems people associate with firearms.
  4. DLoop Creating memories one cast at a time

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  5. wet line New Member

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    I know exactly what you are saying and I think a lot of people don't.

    It is one thing to shoot a critter but it is an entirly different emotional thing to pull the trigger on a human!!

    You can all be macho dudes but if you haven't done it YOU don't know what the baggage you will acquire constitutes.

  6. sandspanker Member

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    Yup my thoughts all the way
  7. sandspanker Member

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    Even in alaska some people don't need fire arms! LOL

  8. Stewart Skunk Happens

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    Not getting sucked into this one again... but I can't stop reading... I still like a healthy disagreement about what I think of as fundamental a American right. Carry on.
  9. Nooksack Mac Active Member

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    The places where you'd carry a fly rod are hardly ever danger zones, as regards humans. OTOH, the phantom who cleaned out all our tackle and gear from the back of a friend's vehicle could have been a close and dangerous encounter, had we come back a few minutes earlier. There are 300 million Americans; a certain percentage of them are recidivist thieves or psychopathic predators. (If you doubt it, read the one-page feature "The Armed Citizen" in every issue of the NRA's "American Rifleman" magazine.) Whether you ever meet such a creature is a matter of shear chance; whether you're able to deal with it depends on actions you take ahead of time. More important than choice of firearm is whether you're able to handle a handgun quickly and safely, a matter of fairly simple training. More important: your mind-set. Have you trained yourself to evaluate
    and respond to a situation that goes from normal to dubious to dangerous, probably in a few seconds? It means understanding that you don't carry a weapon just to "feel more secure" or to solve all problems by brandishing it (illegal in normal disagreements; perhaps tragically inadequate when faced with the worst existential cusp of your life). Do you believe that you have a right to live, peacefully and unharmed? If the answer is yes, it means that you have a right and a moral duty to defend yourself.
  10. Vladimir Steblina Retired fishing instead of working

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    Just a few comments.

    In my conversations with Forest Service law enforcement their estimate is that 80% of the visitors to the National Forests are armed. If there is a terrorist attack in a National Forest campground they will probably find themselves outgunned.

    That said in 40 years of fishing, hunting, camping and working in the woods on a daily basis I have never felt the need to have a gun.

    In the past few years there are parts of Grant County that I am starting to feel uncomfortable. This fall we were bird hunting in Douglas County so far out that I PARKED on the county road and went bird hunting. Soon I had to move the truck for three Mexicans wearing brand new hunter orange wanting past the truck. The whole situation was odd, but I suppose agricultural work is agricultural work and it does not really matter if the crop is legal or not. I have encountered those folks on Forest Service roads. Those folks concern me. I suspect they are better with weapons than me.

    Most of those folks are more afraid of dogs than guns.

    That really is the crux of the issue. If you carry will it make it more likely or less likely that you will get into trouble?

    It is a difficult decision and I respect people on both sides of the issue.

    For me I will carry when I am hunting. At other times I am going to carry bear spray.
  11. Rod Wittner Active Member

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    It has nothing to do with being "macho". If I have to use lethal force to defend myself or loved ones, that is the decision I have to make, regardless of "baggage".
  12. stilly stalker Tuna sniffer

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    edit: damn, that pic didnt pop back up.

    I am way more scared of tweekers and their dogs than any wildlife
  13. stewart dee Guest

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    Yeah Stilly Stalker you got something! I just realized that most of you guys are packin heat on the water - that's more scary than the tweakers and the bears.
  14. snarlac Member

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    my answers to your quests:

    1. No. Have not ever seen anyone with a holstered gun actually wade fishing, even in AK - the gun is on the bank, or in a boat - but more common than not, there is no gun at all. I do not carry a gun and do not know anyone who ever has while fishing anywhere, including AK.

    2. Hardly any legitimate reason for animals (other than human). Bears rarely pose a threat; if they do - you will almost never have time to react with an appropriate weapon (minimum 7 pounds of large handgun) in a holster; if they don't - most bear-protection shootings involve a slow-moving target with some low-caliber pee-shooter that did nothing but mope around, maybe make a few grunts, perhaps slapped your dog around, messed up your camp because you slopped fish guts around before cooking up a meal at dusk. That's not defense of life, that's stupidity.

    That said - there could be on-land situations where a gun may be effective and useful, albeit rarely even there for animals (humans threats are another matter and I suspect much more common). It's not practical in water, with waders, a fly rod, vest, clothing, and frequently, rain.

    3. For bear, the recommended weapon is a shotgun with slugs. Many alaskans carry large caliber, high velocity, handguns which can effectively stop a bear (with a well-placed shot). Otherwise, the gun becomes a noisemaker only, or results in an angry wounded animal. Other threats, including human, can be treated with a smaller weapon.
  15. stilly stalker Tuna sniffer

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    having a cougar sneak up on me definitely made my butthole pucker up tight, but not as much as being cornered by two 100+ lb dogs in the middle of a creek with no escape route. If the owner hadn't come to my aid I would have maced the shit out of both of them, then probably beat the shit out of them with my wading stick.

    Stewart, now that we know all the other flyrodders are packing heat, we can start more shit and know they will have our backs
  16. AlaskanDan Member

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    Haha, I guess my grammar was improper on my post it should read, I carry while fishing in Alaska due to bears. But, I have had bears get very interested when they see a fish on the end of your line jumping and flailing about.
  17. Bruce TenHoeve Member

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    at least you guys can decide to carry...up here north of the 49th parallel, we don't have a can't carry 3 wt switch on the Skagit is no match for the cats and bruins that share that same flow me..have to suffice with the bear spray..30 ft,and hopefully the wind is at my back!
  18. Jonathan Tachell Active Member

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    I carry an HK .45 auto just in case a cougar, bear or tweaker decides to get frisky. I think it is more of a piece of mind thing especially while fishing by my self.
  19. stewart dee Guest

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    Shit I need to pack just to protect myself from crazy fly-fisherman. Dang I need to get out of this thread!
  20. bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    I at one time carried a hand gun until I reliezed that I had better aim with a claw hammer. I like a 20 ounce carpenters claw hammer as the thing has no moving parts to jam and very little steel to rust. Plus if your out of my hammer range then you pose no threat to me. But best of all theres no noise if used profiecently!