Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by freestoneangler, Jan 10, 2010.
Spaz, is that a Meiser on your Meiser lined with a Meizer? Just asking. Oh, nice fish too!
I think Bob's nailed it.
Mending is for socks!
yes Ed, that's a 14' 6/7/8 "S" rod, with an 8/10 Meiser reel, spooled up with ELF over 30# dacron, and happily pitching an SGS head.
a pure thoroughbred!
That's my primo scandi outfit right now.
To much thinking going on here. Huck it out there, throw a mend in it you think one is needed, ease back and check out the scenery. I hardly ever look at my line after the swing starts. I usually can tell by the feel on the rod if I am getting a good swing. After the first mend, if needed, lefting some of the running line out of the water or vice versa is enough to control your swing.
Huck it out there? Check out the scenery? don't think so much?
This is very bad advice. Steelheading is very complicated. One can't huck it out there. You have to focus! One must look hard at the water. Mountains, trees, flora, wildlife? All critical distractions from the task at hand. You must swing with intention and let nothing interfere, nothing! Its steelheading god damn it!!!!
being new to swinging flies for fish im curious as to what constitutes the need for a mend? What type of swinging speed are we trying to achieve here? Do you really want that fly to creep through the swing...? I have had some moments where it just felt " right"....but im still full of questions as I am seriously lacking in the fish hooked department
.....Screams the sensei as he slaps grasshopper upside the head.
Think like steelhead grasshopper.
A steelhead who is hiding behind big rock to avoid many thousands of cubic feet of water from tossing him back into ocean.
He is very hungry, and doesn't want to expend energy, so he looks for simple meal that floats by slower...:ray1:
Some may disagree with this statement, I fish mainly for summer run fish with floating line, what I try to accomplish is a swing that produces a very light line tension. Like many I after my initial cast I strip in or let out about a 18" loop which hold between my index finger and the cork on my rod as lightly as possible. If I find that during the swing the loop want to pull out, most likely I have too much resistance on my line, hence too much downstream bow in my line which is pulling the line faster than the fly creating two things.
1. The fly is most chasing then line down stream with the head of the fly pointed down stream and not giving the fish much of a view of the entire fly.
2. If there is too much tension on the line the hackle of the fly will compress as it swings through the zone, I feel what we are trying to accomplish is a presentation where the fly pulsates as it swings in front of target creating the illusion of something alive. Not scientific but these tips have served me well.
Question? Don't you mend to control fly speed and depth? Depending on your skill of reading the water and placement of fly, In some places you might need to mend more and in some palaces less ?
That is correct Phil.
Go Red Sox,
I am no pro but I can give some advice on what I have learned. I think alot has to do with the depth of the water, the area you are trying to swing, the bug you are swinging and how your cast lays. I think a swing can definetly be manipulated by a mend. Summer wet flies or even spring casting down stream a little and a gentle upwards drop of your rod just swing it out. Sink tips with weighted flies in the winter I chose the method in dec's book. A quick pull to straighten your line to sink tip to bug and follow it down droppin your rod slowly throught the swing. If fishing shallow water your bug may not need to sink as far so a nice cast more down river than straight across no need to mend but to getter down mendin will get you there. Never ever ever mend during swing one irregularity may lose you the only fish you come accross.
The day Panhandle becomes my sensei is the day I quit steelheading.:rofl:
Kerry, submit or perish.
I agree with casting more downstream and less 90 degrees across. When I practice in the backyard, my sinktip often lands in a "L" shape. When I'm on the river, I perform a line lift or pull back as soon as the line lands to straighten the sinktip out before it sinks. Then if needed I mend. I'm curious if you do this as well.
Prior to the onset of the current crop of super fast sinking lines, I used a 15' SA High Speed Hi-D sink tip for over 90% of my winter fishing on a single hand rod. My "normal" cast was across and upcurrent to maximize the amount of time for my tip and fly to sink to depth. Not mending would have made for totally useless presentations most of the time. Generally I'd do a reach mend with the line in the air. give a quick pull after the line hit the water to line up the fly, leader, and sink tip, and then make an initial on-the-water mend of the belly of the line wherever it needed to go, usually upstream. Subsequent mends were made as needed and in the direction needed or not made at all if not needed. I hope I wasn't doing it wrong because I caught a shitload of steelhead.
You probably were doing it wrong but you had a shitload of steelhead to catch. No steelhead left now.
So it doesn't matter whether I do it right or wrong now I take it. However, had I done it some of the ways described in this thread, I think I would have accounted for far fewer steelhead, but I can't and wouldn't want to prove it.
I could go into a long monologue about what the different mends do in the different currents at different water flows on different rivers for different runs of fish at different times of the year...but I won't.
I do whatever it takes to get my fly to where I think the fish are. And lately I'm thinking my fly needs to be down around Oregon...
As scooby doo would say... "HUH??"
Sounds like you are successful to me...
That's how I normally (try to at least) would perform my mends, yet i've only manage to catch one this way, so either I'm not doing it correctly or you have been fishing in the right spot at the right time all these years.