Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Jake L, Jun 30, 2008.
I can cast about 40' with my 6wt TCR and Rio Outbound. Gawd, this setup just flat out rocks!
well hey, there you go- distance casts can give you a warm feeling in your tummy but making technically difficult casts at close quarters are what produces the fish...unless, as mentioned, you're in the saltchuck or in some anadromous situations, or something.
For sheer brute force, I recall two Aprils ago punching an SA mastery into a howling wind at Lake Lenore with my TiCrX, with an indicator and a two fly rig, and catching a lot of fish when other guys weren't because they couldn't get out there to where the fish were that day; that's one of those situations where you just have to either get it out or smell the skunk.
But one of my all-time favorite things is to take my little 7'6" 4wt, overlined with a WF5 to slow it down, and start crawling up a small stream.
no matter what, it's all about the loop.
backing baby! , with a happy gilmore cast plus when yard was your 1st fishing partner you learn to cast longer and better, i know of a few yard graduates' out there bombin' lines like a mad coke fiend with a teener in front of um', haahaha
When I did construction we'd all stand on a ledge with our tape measures in hand. He who could extend the most tape without it bending was the winner. For some reason it was always those big Stanley ones...must've been the thickness of the tape. Anyhow, nothing wrong with a good ol' tape measuring contest. Besides, I'm told the ladies like it...they're never impressed but it's always good for a laugh. :hmmm:
I can cast to the backing with 90-foot lines, with 6-weight or larger rods. I don't, in fishing conditions, not even standing up in a boat on a lake, where longer searching casts multiply the water that one probes, because "underwear-ripping casts," as A. J. McClane called them are tiring. Usually, in those circumstances, I leave about a dozen turns of line on the spool. It wouldn't be possible without the double haul, which, oddly, hasn't been mentioned until now. I think that anyone who's normally serious about fly fishing should learn to double-haul routinely.
When casting to a specific lie or rise form, I maneuver for position and don't pay attention to the distance. Fifteen feet, sixty feet - whatever's needed. I used to mark floating lines at fifteen foot intervals, starting at thirty feet from the tip (one band, then two at 45 feet, etc.).
I'm a lot more concerned with distance when spey fishing. After all, we have a lot of time on our hands when swinging a fly through big rivers, hoping for one strike a day. Spey rods have a longer "middle range" than single-hand rods, but their reputation for great distances is exaggerated. Casting to triple figure range is a challenge. I've had the 120-foot marker in my hand after a spey cast exactly once, in 13 years.
I like to use 3wts on beaver ponds and swamps, the 5wt seems too spook the fish a little more. a few weeks ago i was fishing a pond, there was a nice fish rising but there were floating logs that got in the way, so i got on a point about 80 feet away, wasn't able to reach it.
And the reason i think my 3wt is more accurate is just the rod fits my casting style better, its my favorite rod and i have the best feel for it. i have it longer than my 5wt and use it whenever i can. I just use the 5wt on lakes where i commonly need a 70 foot cast.
Sounds like you need to get that 3 wt you like in a 5 wt.
i thought the same thing, thinking i might be able to pull off some pinpoint 100 foot cast with it, but nope, it just wasn't the same as the 3wt
That makes Zero sense. If you can cast a 3 wt 60 ft, but can't repeat a cast past that distance with the same rod in a higher weight, you're doing something terribly wrong mechanically, which leads me to believe there's no way you can cast a 3 wt 60 ft. 60 ft is a good cast on a 5 wt from an experienced caster. How many people claim they can cast over 90 feet with a regular WF line and 5 wt rod? I know what I'm doing and on a normal day nailing a 90 foot cast is a very good cast.
I would be willing to put up one of my rods that you can't cast a three weight 70 ft. Just saying, because you put yourself out there.
Will you make that bet for me Adam...
Yes, but its 175 ft. for you. :beer2:
Just saying, because you put yourself out there.
I never said i couldn't cast it as far as my 3wt, i could cast it about as far my echo 5wt. I know 60 feet is pretty far to cast with a 3wt, keep in mind i had to fish lakes using my 3wt before i saved up enough money to get a 5wt, so i spent plenty of hours in my backyard trying to get my cast out past 50 feet.
I dont know if i have ever made a 70 foot cast on that 3wt, all i know is that i have gone past 50 feet by a ways. I put a mark at 50 feet on my line and know i have made cast with that mark out in front of me in the water.
With a statement like that you are going to burst someone's bubble. What ya mean 100 foot casts are a chalenge with a 2 hander? A lot of people claim to make those casts on a regular bases but I tend to agree with you. 100 foot casts with a 2 handed rod are a lot like 20 pound steelhead; both are far rarer then some would like us to believe.
Hopefully it is the rod you have buried up your arse...
Just say'n, because you put yerself out there....
Actually, that wouldn't be such a good deal for Rory - that's one rod I wouldn't touch...with a... well a 10 foot pole.. or would that be a 10 foot rod? What weight? Never mind.... :beathead:
With my 7wt tfo ticr standing on the dock I can double haul a cheap Sci angler 8wt line well into the backing(85'line plus backing past the tip of the rod). I tried the same setup but with a peach 444 and couldn't get the distance. Just got an Airflo 40+ to see if I can get it even farther
The airflow immediatly added 10 ft to the cast I was getting with a 444 on my 9-6 mid flex rod. Thanks for matching that up Brian AATF. Sweet Line :thumb: Hate the color though.
6wt TCR + Rio Outbound...Surely, you mean 400'
I personally think that everyone should be rocking out the lawn-bomb casts, getting as much distance practice as possible...as well as accuracy practice, short practice, bending and mending cast practice...it all equates to the same thing.
Wherever the fish are, and whatever the situation, you are prepared.
Folks that say "you don't need to cast that far" generally can't and don't, so they think that there is no advantage to distance. If you can do 100' once a day, 90' 1 out of 20, and 80' on a regular basis, think how easy it would be to get 60' or 70' when you really need it.
As for the chest-beating thing...well, whatever. If it's true, it's just a fact. Folks that can bomb them out there should be proud of that.
Plus, once you make the cast an automatic, semi-involuntary response, you have tons of time to work on that other thingy...the "angling" side of the equation.
A 90-100 foot cast will never become automatic/semi involuntary for me. It takes a concerted effort. Kudos to those who can do it in their sleep.
Y'all need to get a BII-mx and an OutBound...
Nothin' says "involuntary" like that setup. 90' just means you still have 30' left to cast...