Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Jake L, Jun 30, 2008.
I'll take that bet.
Yep, have to agree with that. Yard helped me the more with my fishing style and fishing techniques though.
Best cast: Backing usually on nothing lighter than a 5 wt though. Spey casting is improving and thats all I can ask.
I know you would, Richard. And, now I will not take that bet with you.
Same here.. I hit the 90's after some warm up, but anything over 95' is a fluke... Practice, practice, practice, and move an inch up at a time :hmmm: Man, I miss the days when I could improve my distance with a little help and time by feet rather than inches
Distance casting....huh. :hmmm:
So, let me ask you young bloods, how far can you cast opposite handed? You know, if you are right handed, how far can you cast left handed? Who of you have even tried it for distance?
im sort of ambidextrious, i can cast pretty accurate lefty but dont have much distance probably around 30-35ft (3wt), any situation where its cramped enough where you can't cast righty, your not gonna need to cast more than 15 feet
Opposite-hand casting practice is something I am sorely lacking on...did it a few weeks ago with the spey while fishing, found it easier to "backhand" than to switch.
Same with the single-hander. I fish out of cramped boats in high winds, front and back seat, always casting with my right. Haven't (yet) hit myself, the dog, the gunwale, or my partner...timing and plane, timing and plane.
I loved Josh Root's reply. Reminds me of the joke Ron White tells of the two engine plane he's flying in and it loses an engine. A hysterical passenger asks how far the other engine will take them. White's less than comforting reply is "all the way to the crash site"
There are situations where having the option of casting left handed will put you on fish where a right hander has to walk away. Here's two:
You are on river left, standing on a deep undercut bank with heavy brush to water's edge, and the biggest fish of the day shows itself 45 ft upstream next to the bank.
Your guide has the bow pointing at a mangrove island with the wind coming 15 knots over the stern, with an 8 lb. snook showing 60 ft off starboard side at 2:00 O'clock. You're throwing a lead headed streamer on a sharp ass No. 2 hook. There is a half submerged tree in the water preventing you from poling down for a direct shot. You can either turn your back on your target to back cast to the fish lying in the slot between the mangroves and the tree limbs, or throw a tight line left handed for money. That cast will get a reaction from your guide, it did from mine.
Oh ya, I forgot the most important third situation:
Your right elbow is inflamed and it hurts like hell just to lift a cup of coffee, and your doctor is telling you, while injecting cortesone with a square needle, to lay off using your right arm if you want it to heal in time to take your Florida/Bahamas trip....... and the little voice in your ear is talking about Coho and Steelhead swimming up the river right now.
I do not know how far I can cast. All I know is that I cast far enough to catch fish !! :clown:
60 feet (personal best) with off hand, average 45. But Clark at Puget Sound Fly Co is a mutant. I've seen him throw 100+ with either hand... Sick, just sick...
I've always had good enough success back-handing I haven't had to go lefty... yet... I'll probably have to slap myself using my left hand when one of these days when it costs me a good fish. So I ate some humble pie today, when under ideal conditions out in my float tube, I could only CONSISTENTLY get to 30-35... Now who do I call for those lessons...
I'm guessing I could cast 60-70' with a 5wt, maybe more with the right line. When I was in my single-handing prime (12+yrs ago?) I could do 70-80', and a few times, with a tailwind, put an entire 90' line out the tip and turned it over. I still have an Orvis CFO reel I won in a casting contest in Columbia, MO around 15 yrs ago. Needless to say, the competition paled in comparison to what goes on out here...
I doubt I qualify as a young blood, but I'm a relatively newbie to fly fishing. I am more comfortable with the reel in my right hand for control, so when I taught myself to fly cast, yes, painful but true I taught myself, I learned casting Left handed. When I was demoing my Echo 3wt at Penninsula Outfitters Bill noted that I casted left handed then I showed him that I could cast right handed too. I probably have more distance left handed but better fine motor control right handed so the presentation may be better. I don't really know which goes out further, but I can tell you if the wind makes for a better left cast I do it and if a righty is called for I can bang that out too.
I can eat equally with the left or right hand and probably can do a few other things about the same too...like type (incase you have not noticed) with every finger used for every post.
Distance? I'm lucky if I can hit 30 feet accurately, in optimal conditions. Oh, well.
That's why I fish small streams/rivers, and troll if I'm on a lake.
To hook up, you don't need distance or accuracy.
It's stealth and deception. :ray1:
And I can't cast for $#it with my left hand. Times I wish I could, though.
I think his challenge only applied to Rory, otherwise he'd lose every rod in his quiver in short order...
Well said. I think it's Echo or Airflo (a Rajeff product, anyway) that says something to the extent, 'Distance isn't important, until it is'.
I have found that learning to cast for distance makes a fly fisher learn important aspects of the cast. Single haul, double haul (and the timing of each), casting stroke, controlling the loop, maintaining casting planes, firm stops, controlling the backcast and the delivery cast, etc.
Being aware of and becoming proficient in the various nuances of the cast transfer over to accuracy, as well. Some folks are better at one aspect (distance) than another (accuracy), but that's just about being people.
I find those folks who say 'gee, I don't need to cast further than 30 feet', or 'most fish are caught within 50 feet' can't cast further than 30 or 50 feet. In saltwater, lake fishing, many different venues being able to cast for distance will up how many fish you catch. How many times have those fish been juuuuust outside the limits of your cast?
It's all getting the fly to the fish and presenting it properly, and being able to control your cast and be the best caster you can be increases your odds of catching fish.
Nothing like stealth period.
I have hooked many-a-hog while fishing streams that I was told had smaller fish just by crawling up to a fishy looking pool.
Forget this distance casting nonsense............but than again......I know that I can cast a 3wt 70' no problem (without wind).........
I don't know how far I can actually cast and I really don't care.
I guess, according to Richard and others, that means I don't cast very far. That's fine.
Distance casting just really isn't a big deal to many fly fishermen. It really isn't. Especially those who fish small streams for trout, beaver pond, lakes, most of our rivers for salmon and steelhead, salt for cutties and salmon, etc etc.
It's like those who are addicted to swinging for steelhead always say - focus on the good swinging water, and fish it well. Does that limit you to where you can fish and does that mean you pass up the chance to target many fish holding in non-swinging water? Sure. But a good swinger will know where the good swinging water is and work it just right and enjoy his time doing it and enjoy the fish it yields him – and not feel that he is missing some sort of essential aspect of what fly fishing is all about….
If I know I can't cast 100 feet (probably can’t, but don’t know or care), I'm not going to waste my time fishing water where that is a requirement. There are just too many smarter options for me where I can focus my energy for better and more efficient results.
Now if I have a trip planned for tarpon or bones or something, and know that 100+ feet will make or break the trip, I'll surely start practicing and may even look to somebody for advice, lessons, tips, etc to get my game up in time. Buck luckily for me (and many many other fly fisherman), I'm quite happy with the many local options I have, and I can't recall the last time I thought, "dang, if I could only cast 10 more feet!" Well, in the salt, there are always going to be days where the salmon are laughing at you from 50 yards beyond your best cast. I don't care who you are. That's just fishing sometimes
That said, time spent improving your casting skills won’t be time wasted. And a great way to work on your casting is to spend some time at the local beaches and just pushing yourself for the heck of it.
One tip though – whether you are making 50 or 100 foot casts, practice reaching that distance with some pressure (real or imaginary). Many of us will be working the water and suddenly spot a pod of fish moving just within reach of our cast. We panic and tense up, feel that heart start pounding, and try to put a little extra into the cast to get it there father and faster…. Only to end up with a nasty wind knot, or snagging that rock or limb behind you, or otherwise just messing up your only sure thing of the day. But if you take a nice deep breath and relax and deliver a nice graceful cast like you have been practicing, without forcing it, you have a much better chance of hooking up. Easier said than done at times