Thanks Jim and Fred, that is what I had in mind when I mentioned tracking/speed, now how does he fix it? I see allot of people, including myself way back when, sweeping too fast causing their d-loop to go upstream or downstream depending on river left or right, when it should be behind them or 180degrees from the target. Then they cross their "track" on the forward cast causing the line to cross and or whack itself mid-flight depending on the severity. This is what I figured he was doing, and gave the advice I did. Tough to tell without seeing it. Again, trying to give advice on how to fix or diagnose casting on the internet is like playing pictionary with the blind.