I think hatcheries are an important part of a management, not the ideal situation as you said, but important. The point i'm trying to make is when it comes to steelhead, not stocker trout in lakes, its not even an issue of them co existing because the hatchery fish, by design, aren't suppose to exist freely in the system! the perfect hatchery fish from a management perspective leaves the pens and goes sea ward without competing with native sticks for food, then returns to the river directly to the hatchery without spawning with wild fish,obviously this doesn't happen, but thats what they are designed to do. To say that you support killing wild fish as much as hatchery fish when they are in the same abundance is ludicrous. Wild fish have a purpose, that is to spawn, and produce offspring. Hatchery fish don't have this purpose, they are a man made institution specifically put in the river to take pressure off wild fish, to be harvested. You call us idealists, but you think that hatchery fish are the equal of wild fish, that they are somehow the same because hatchery fish originate from wild fish. That is idealistic. Here in the real world, man's attempt to create a duplicate race of wild fish results in an animal that is less hardy, has lower survival rates in the wild, and is significantly less diverse genetically. These fish should be harvested, as is their purpose, before they are allowed to weaken the genetic stability of the wild stock they share the river with.