Tony, I dare you to let your indicator "bob", good luck with that. Let me know how it works out and how many fish you land versus the guys who use them as "strike indicators". Better make sure that fish has that bait good and deep before you set the hook. Chef, don't stop just asking questions, there are different theories as to the concepts of using your resources and I feel there is nothing wrong with asking. Did asking work for you? If so then don't let other tell you how to access information. Could you imagine telling your students to go look it up versus using you as a resource. Laughable. As for your inquiry, start with location, then worry about method indicator or otherwise. Ira..