Chironimide Fishing: Breaking it Down for "Dummies"

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  1. Irafly

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    I have never seen that bead before, I may just have to give it a try, although I have for the most part developed my cast in a way to avoid the tangle.

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    OK thanks guys for your help!

    On a normal day when you are fishing chironimides how many will you use on your fly line? Like will you use the little chain of flys? all tied off of each other? (if you know what i mean)
     
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    In Utah we are only allowed two, so that is what I use, but I do a tag about 2' to 3' up from the bottom one.
     
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    I've tried three, but that just seems to gum up the works. Two seems to work best but most of my fish come on my bottom bug.

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    I mostly fish with just one, If I use two the distance between them is at least 18" to 24", That way no foul hooking of the fish as I have seen happen when the distance is around 12". my 1.5 cents worth.
     
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    Ok that makes sence, Thanks.
    One more thing, will you have the black Chironimide on the bottom and then the red San Juan worm on top or the other way around? or does it even really matter?
     
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    That is where experimenting comes in. Try it either way, there is no set rule. If you catch a fish on one, then try switching. This will not only tell you which they want, but what zone they are hanging in.
     
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    I tend to fish a tandem rig. I generally run the San Juan as the top fly and the chronie as the bottom fly. If ya get lucky, they will hit both flies. I'm with Blue this, experiment. Different combos of chronies / bloods until you find the ticket. You will also have to experiment with depth. Once you get it right, there ain't much staring time. I tend ot like working in transistion areas, like drop offs.

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    After you catch one, consider pumping to see the size and color of bug the fish are eating-that will help you zero in on the right bug. (unless like Scott Salzer found in one particular lake the fish are eating snails-kind of tough to match that "hatch"!) Rick
     
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    One lake I fish is also filled with snails....."Renegades" are the imitation. Even Henry's Lake, full of snails and one of my favorite flies there is the Henry's Lake Renegade.

    I agree totally on Pumping the stomach, but sometimes you also have to take into account that the colors might not be the same as before the insect was ingested. One had allot of light orange scuds. Orange of course didn't work, but Burgundy did. Just something I found out. Others may have different experiences.
     
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    Blue-a Renegade is a floating fly. Do you fish it on a sinking line to make it crawl along the bottom?
     
  12. Chef

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    Blue: You and alan mentioned that when dealing with long leaders, you dont try to cast them but rather drop them off where you want to fish and paddle backwards. My question, when you catch a fish, you gotta paddle back to that spot and "cast" again?
     
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    Rick Todd, You bet on the sinking line. It is a powerful nymph/wet fly. I like the variations of maybe longer streamer hooks. Maybe Furnace hackle front and rear. Red Crystal flash for rib. I have even wrapped the hook with lead substitute although I rarely weight hooks. Also, the Mity Mouse is basically a Renegade except the Furnace hackle is wrapped though the fly like a bugger. One of my favorite flies.
     
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    Generally there are more fish right where the one that was landed is so, we land the fish then drop straight down again. On several occasions, we get hits again on the way down. Almost lost a rod that way. Landed the fish, while it was in net, I took the fly out and dropped it in the water. Getting ready to release the fish in net, and the rod laying in my lap flipped.
    I have caught a bunch of doubles which just means they are stacked up. That is fun stuff that there.
     
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    when I do the throat pump, I do my best to not get the entire stomach contents. Keep it shallow and just a little water in the bulb. It works better on fish 15" and larger than the little guys. I've found some interesting stuff. Many live midges and nymphs, big and tiny leeches, snails, water boatmen, terrestrials (spiders, beetles, and ants, mostly), zooplankton, and bits of wood and aquatic plants. Seeing what the fish are keying on has turned my day around on many occasions, especially when water temps are optimal and every food source in the lake is active.

    When fish are gobbling snails you can't help but notice the shells in their stomach. Crunchy to the touch!
     
  16. Gregg Lundgren

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    This discussion on snails has my attention. There have been times when the hold-over trout in some of the lakes I fish are loaded with snails only. They are olive brown in color and about 1/8 to 1/4 inch in diameter. Blue... I was just wondering if the snails down your way are similar, or something different looking all together? The Renegade patterns I am familiar with wouldn't seem to match very well.
     
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    Here is some chironomids, scuds, leeches, and some snails:

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    DINNER!!!! LOL
     
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    I know few fisherman around here who think the snail "hatch" is the greatest. A few times a year the snails float to the surface en masse, and the trout gorge themselves. I found one fish this fall that was completely loaded with them(you could feel them through it's body), but I was pre-occupied with a pod of risers and never got to try any snail patterns.
    With chrinomids I will put two different colors on to start out with. When I've figured out which color and size the fish are keying in on, I just go with one fly for better castability. Sometimes I will use an indicator, mostly in eddies with tricky currents. I prefer to use a floating line and 12-15' of tippet. Like someone mentioned earlier, super slow retrieve. Just enough to keep slack out of the line, though I will throw in pauses. When I pause I point my rod tip out further over my line to create just enough slack to make a slight S in the line. If the S straightens even slightly, it's a strike. I think that you can detect more subtle stikes this way over an indicator.
     
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    trip: are you using a tapereed leader?
     
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