Clouser critique?

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by Sawyer, Jul 9, 2014.

  1. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2003
    Messages:
    4,309
    Media:
    1
    Likes Received:
    1,106
    Location:
    Olympic Peninsula
    Home Page:
    The Orvis #9034 stainless steel hooks have a beautifully formed, fully closed eye. Cheap hooks = cheap flies.
     
    sopflyfisher likes this.
  2. Sawyer

    Sawyer Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2014
    Messages:
    183
    Media:
    1
    Likes Received:
    55
    I'll look at the Orvis hooks online, I haven't seen them at Gig harbor fly shop or Puget sound fly Co
     
  3. porterHause

    porterHause Just call me Jon

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    352
    Media:
    3
    Likes Received:
    186
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    I've seen the same open eye issue on gammy's and owners too. I bet there's a rare bird in the orvis hook too...even at $13/25.

    I agree, cheap hooks = cheap flies...but using the SHANK of a hook that hasn't had the HOOK POINT laser edged, chemically sharpened, and dipped in moose turds doesn't make for a lesser STINGER clouser. It just means I'll have beer money later on.
     
  4. Chris Bellows

    Chris Bellows Your Preferred WFF Poster

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2003
    Messages:
    2,015
    Media:
    13
    Likes Received:
    1,204
    Location:
    The Salt
    the only expensive hooks i use on the front hook of a stinger (i never use a 2 hook rig because it damages fish) are when i need a really light wire so smaller diameter foam will float well... but for clousers cheap mustads work excellent paired with a sticky sharp gami or owner stinger.
     
  5. Bagman

    Bagman Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2012
    Messages:
    521
    Likes Received:
    207
    Location:
    Poulsbo WA
    I hate Gami hooks. I keep getting stuck by the stringer, and those dam Gamis go deep.
     
    CLO likes this.
  6. mtskibum16

    mtskibum16 Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2008
    Messages:
    1,255
    Media:
    24
    Likes Received:
    442
    Location:
    Puget Sound Beaches
    The Allen SW002 are a good choice at ~$6/25. I haven't had any issues with them as a sacrificial or primary hook. Although, they appear to be out of stock currently.
     
  7. Tony

    Tony Left handed Gemini.

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2004
    Messages:
    531
    Media:
    8
    Likes Received:
    107
    Location:
    Lynnwood Wa
    I've tied clousers on expensive SS and on the less expensive (mustad) and other than the fact that you need to sharpen the second for the money there is no better
     
  8. Alexander

    Alexander Fishon

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    1,400
    Media:
    20
    Likes Received:
    512
    Location:
    WA
    From Gig Harbor Fly Shop - 100 Mustad 3407DT size 1 $12.99

    It's what I used for the stinger Clouser swap. Hard to beat that price, and they're just for shanks anyway.
     
  9. dibling

    dibling Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2011
    Messages:
    186
    Likes Received:
    85
    Location:
    Green Lake
    New to the tying game here. When you guys mention tying a stinger hook to another cheaper hook, how are you securing / tying the stinger on?
     
  10. Sawyer

    Sawyer Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2014
    Messages:
    183
    Media:
    1
    Likes Received:
    55
    Hairline dubbin Senyo's Intruder trailer wire and you can also use Fireline
    When your tying on Fireline, you have to tie it one, then run it back thru the eye and back down the shank toward the bend of the hook and superglue the crap out of it.

    With Senyo Intruder wire, just run it up the top hook shank toward the eye, no need to run thru the eye because the Senyo wire has a coating on it that the thread bites into, super glue and wrap over the glue until you can't see the color of the Senyo wire ( that's what I do, may not be necessary )

    Also, you have to use Octopus hooks, if you don't when you run the wire thru the eye your hook will be off kilter.

    I'll post pics later so you get the idea of how to properly thread it thru if you want.

    Good luck!
     
  11. Sawyer

    Sawyer Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2014
    Messages:
    183
    Media:
    1
    Likes Received:
    55
    uploadfromtaptalk1405222329146.jpg

    Hope these help!
     

    Attached Files:

  12. Pat Lat

    Pat Lat Mad Flyentist

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2012
    Messages:
    1,266
    Media:
    90
    Likes Received:
    1,084
    Location:
    seattle-ish
    You really don't need to go thru the eye of the hook. But it is good to make a solid thread base, then double it back with any stinger material. Mono always seems to be my favorite. I also like senyo's intruder wire, just not on the beach as it always seems to get shredded once it hits the barnacle encrusted rocks a couple times
     
  13. KevinLS

    KevinLS Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2006
    Messages:
    128
    Likes Received:
    27
    Location:
    Spokane, WA
    I had some issues last year with my Miya poppers and others sinking after getting fished a little and beat up, you have a specific hook recommendation (light wire) you use to keep the foam floating? I was using some big 34 series from Mustad, lesson learned.
     
  14. Pat Lat

    Pat Lat Mad Flyentist

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2012
    Messages:
    1,266
    Media:
    90
    Likes Received:
    1,084
    Location:
    seattle-ish
    Howabout a plastic tube?
     
  15. KevinLS

    KevinLS Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2006
    Messages:
    128
    Likes Received:
    27
    Location:
    Spokane, WA
    Yeah, makes sense. That's a road I haven't traveled down yet...
     
  16. Sawyer

    Sawyer Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2014
    Messages:
    183
    Media:
    1
    Likes Received:
    55
    HMH micro tube would probably work pretty well.
     
  17. trout_bum23

    trout_bum23 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2013
    Messages:
    9
    Likes Received:
    2
    looks good. I've had the best luck on chartreuse and white with a little flashabou in between. cant wait til those acrobatic suckers start rollin in next month!
     
  18. golfman44

    golfman44 4-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2012
    Messages:
    2,653
    Media:
    28
    Likes Received:
    2,282
    Location:
    Washington
    Saw 5 jump last Sunday, a boat get another, and a pair of seals get a few more. They are here
     
    Sawyer likes this.
  19. CLO

    CLO They baitin'

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2009
    Messages:
    1,575
    Media:
    36
    Likes Received:
    960
    Location:
    ALKi

    Shhhhhhhh
     
  20. golfman44

    golfman44 4-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2012
    Messages:
    2,653
    Media:
    28
    Likes Received:
    2,282
    Location:
    Washington
    Dude I'm talking about pass lake