Cotter pin shanks

Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by Ed Call, Jan 13, 2009.

  1. Ed Call Mumbling Moderator

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    For those using cotter pin shanks, what sizes are you tying them on? I just got a huge box set of probably a couple thousand from very small way up to 2 1/2" in length. I was noting someone tying some mini-intruders and I had thought that would be cool on some of the smaller ones. What if anything could/should be tied on the larger ones? Thanks for the input, and who might want to trade a cool tying material or tube material that I might not have and I can trade you some of these cotter pins for using like shanks.
  2. Jergens AKA Joe Willauer

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    the huge ones would be good for large intruders. could you post a pic of the bigger ones?
  3. TallFlyGuy Adipossessed!

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  4. Jeff Member

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    How are you guys using them? Tying a piece of mono to the back and tying a hook to that?

    j
  5. HauntedByWaters Active Member

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  6. Ed Call Mumbling Moderator

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    I'll try to post a photo of the various sizes and a ruler for scale. Maybe tonight at home if I can every get away from work.
  7. GR8LAKES FLYER Member

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    I've been wondering about these for a while trying to understand why everyone wants to use them over waddington shanks ??

    I see that they are zinc plated . Not a good moisture inhibiter , meaning they would rust quickly if not properly dried .
    Also , what is the price of them ?? I know Waddington shanks are $6.50 for 25 at RedShed and other fly shops , that's $0.26 each ..... Are they much less than that ??
    Is it the fact that the Waddington has an up/down eye , depending on which way it is tied ?? Cotter pins are straight looped .

    Not trying to put anyone's ideas down , just really curious ....



    Mike
  8. Ed Call Mumbling Moderator

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    Stainless, although some are zinc plated, the ones I came across are stainless. They likely will hold up well.

    1000 for under $10. That is right at $0.01 each. They may be an inferior product. I have not been totally pleased with my ability to hold them while tying, a couple of things work but I'm working on making that process better. I like the varied lengths and diameters available in this package that I found. That can help me vary size and weight of patterns. I'm not expecting my flies to last a lifetime, otherwise investing an extra $0.25 per fly would be the way to go. I'm thinking they might serve me well for both freshwater and saltwater applications. I got the idea from other waddington threads here and thought I would kick the tires. I've got enough of these things to tie for years, but had I purchased waddingtons I would have spent $260 on waddingtons (1000/25=40X$6.50=$260) versus $10. Much easier to tie flies and buy groceries, just a poor man's idea that I'll try to make work.
  9. g_smolt Recreational User

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    Stainless cotter pins are about .19-.30 apiece.

    Arguments for them include (in my experience): Inexpensive, very stiff, rounded profile, large eye, comparatively heavy, widely available.

    Arguments against (again, in my experience): Half-round "eye" prone to cutting anything less than 17lb test easily, large diameter of "eye" precludes the use of small knots, poor quality control leads to imperfections and variations batch-to-batch.

    The solution?

    Clipped Mustad stainless 34011 sz1. Arguably the shittiest hook made, suitable only for clipping. At .16/per, the best and easiest way to go...once again, in my experience.

    If you still wanna do the cotters, here's a pic.

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  10. GR8LAKES FLYER Member

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    Thanks for the responses guys .



    Mike
  11. Ed Call Mumbling Moderator

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    I guess I got a hell of a deal price wise, even if they are garbage. Speaking of those shittiest hooks ever, I bought a bunch, two or three volume packs for about $0.06 per a while back. Maybe I'll just use them until they are gone. I thought the cotterpin shanks would give me better size/weight variation, which is why I got them and why I'll use them. Maybe after I lose the fish of a lifetime I'll rethink my position. Mumbles is a fool.
  12. rick matney Active Member

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    Stainless spinner blade shafts (striaght) Cheap, corrosion resistant,cut to length, rounded eye, Only down fall is they are not as stiff as i would like, but you will get used to that.
  13. slippery_whippet Member

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    Mumbles you are no fool. Thanks to this thread I now know where to get Waddingtons for only $6.50 a pak! Caring is sharing ;) Honestly, I have blown plenty of loot experimenting with way crazier ideas, it is all part of the journey.

    Thanks to GR8LAKES FLYER for the tip as well! :thumb:
  14. Flyborg Active Member

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    I got my 1000 stainless ones for 2cents each several years back. They work great. I've never cut a line on the sharp end, but I articulate with firewire which doesn't cut easily. I've pulled in countless salmon and steelhead on the MOALS and loop leeches I tie with them. Frankly, with the number of flies I go through I wouldn't be able to afford Waddington's.
  15. rick matney Active Member

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    Ok, Ok, Ok,....Here it is! :thumb:

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  16. docstash Member

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    Stainless Steel coils from .011" dia @ $10.99 for 767' to .043" @ $7.49 for 50'.. Roll your own. Craig
  17. Jergens AKA Joe Willauer

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    stash- where are you getting that stuff, local hardware store? just bending them with pliers?
  18. docstash Member

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    Joe, Cabelas, bend around needle nose pliers for loops, fold in half, take your pick.
  19. Eric Tarcha gear whore

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  20. Ed Call Mumbling Moderator

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    Eric, if you have purchased these shafts in the past, can you tell us how many are in each pack? I did not see a quantity per pack listed on your page link or in my cabela's catalog. Thanks.