Courtesy for a Fly Swap

Discussion in 'Fly Swaps' started by dryflylarry, Mar 15, 2009.

  1. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    I think it might be good to remind people that joining a fly swap, or hosting a fly swap comes with a responsibility to have the flies tied on time and in to the swapmeister on schedule. Furthermore, if you are the swapmeister, it is important and responsible to get them out to the participates in a timely manner. Thanks for letting me bitch! Now go tie... :ray1: :p
     
  2. Zach M

    Zach M Because I floss so hard

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    yeah connor...... :p
     
  3. Jake Bannon

    Jake Bannon nymphs for steelhead....

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  4. Daryle Holmstrom

    Daryle Holmstrom retiredfishak

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  5. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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  6. twinlakesleach

    twinlakesleach MurkyLurker

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    I TOTALLY agree!!! And this should also go with the Swapmeister following through and posting the pictures in the Gallery. Everyone has a digital camera these days...

    Do you hear this Scott Keith?? In regards to the SRC Swap that was held MONTHS ago..

    The Winter Trout Swap Connor???

    TLL
     
  7. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Thanks for your support Twinlakesleach. Frankly, the lateness and "slackmanship" has put a damper on my desire to enter more swaps. Perhaps we should initiate a "HONORARY NO SLACKER TIERS" category... :)
     
  8. twinlakesleach

    twinlakesleach MurkyLurker

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    DryFlyLarry,

    You hit the nail on the head for me exactly!! I have kinda lost interest in joining or hosting any swaps for the same reason. It seems like there is a group of members on here that are really good at hosting a swap and also good at following the rules when joining a swap. Then there is the "other" group that just kinda makes you lose all interest.

    I like your idea on the "HONORARY NO SLACKER TIERS" category. Something has to change and it has to start somewhere...

    Just my 2 cents.

    TLL
     
  9. steeli

    steeli Member

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    Seems like some type of no slacker's category could be in order.
    I've hosted several swaps and about a third worked out just fine. The other 2/3rd finds one or two tyers late, late, late even with reminders and P.m's late.
    Life happens, and from time to time stuff comes up. If you're late, at least fess up what's up and why, but dont' leave everyone hung out wondering what's up.
    I agree this could be draining enthusium for serious tyers who can use a calendar.
     
  10. Mike Wilson

    Mike Wilson Yakbowbw

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    I participated in three swaps last year and felt the experience was great. However, it appears that some of the swaps going on now are really having some trouble getting the requirements met. Larry, your calebaetis fly swap last year was awesome..... we still need to hook up to go fishing on the peninsula.
     
  11. Keaten LaBrel

    Keaten LaBrel Formerly Tyinbugs

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    I agree with all of you guys...i may be somewhat new to the board and have only been a part of 2 swaps and I'm hosting a streamer swap now. the first swap i was apart of (Winter steelhead swap) was awesome, all the patterns were great and cameron did a great job hosting it (thanks!!). The second swap (the Skwala swap) for some reason is taking about a month to get the flies after the deadline, and still haven't got them! (seriously connor wtf???). I joined the skwala swap thinking that i'd be able to try out each of the patterns during this year's hatch, which has now started here...but the way its going it looks like i'll have to wait till next year!!! If you're gonna be a FLAKE don't join a swap...or better yet don't host one!!!
     
  12. twinlakesleach

    twinlakesleach MurkyLurker

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    I got tired of joining swaps and then having to wait for 1-4 weeks to get your flies!!! This seems to be a pattern for some swapmeisters. I just don't understand. STICK WITH THE DEADLINE AND MAIL THE FLIES OUT!!!!! It is plain RUDE to make everyone else wait just because someone does not know how to read a calendar. I have no problem giving everyone an extra day or maybe 2, but any longer than that is uncalled for. The deadline is there for a reason.
    TLL
     
  13. steve s

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    I agree with you Larry but at the same time, I'm one of the worst offenders. I always go into a swap thinking that I'll tie them all in one sitting and end up only tying half a dozen. Then I get an invite for a few days on the peninsula and we're leaving in three days, so I start tying for that. I get back from the trip still amped and inspired to tie some new flies. I keep thinking that I've gotta get the swap flies tied but figure that I've still got two weeks 'til their due. I tell myself that I've gotta get the flies tied this week but the wife has different ideas and I've been tying and fishing for the past two weeks straight she says. Next thing I know, flies are due tomorrow and I'm up tie three in the tying some crappy blue marabous.
    Usually, I get the flies in on time but it's on the last day but my last few swaps have been late. It's time to lay off the swaps for a bit.

    steve
     
  14. twinlakesleach

    twinlakesleach MurkyLurker

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    I have to ask. How hard is it to really tie on average 12 flies??? I signed up for the Mini Trout Marathon Swap. That is 12 flies for 5 months for a total of 60 flies - 5 different patterns. I sat down on a Saturday and tied them ALL, and still managed to do some things around the house. I had them in the mail on Monday. It is not that hard to tie any flies for a swap and meet the deadline - even with "honey do's", work, play, & fishing (last time i checked there is not too much night time fly fishing going on!) IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH YOUR PRIORITIES. The way i look at it, if you even think for a moment that you may not be able to make a deadline for a swap - DON'T SIGN UP.

    TLL
     
  15. Eric Tarcha

    Eric Tarcha gear whore

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    I totally agree. I feel like joining a swap is a exercise in a man's ethics....follow the code!! Be on time, put forth a good effort, and make a nice toe tag! and for god sakes, don't host one if you can't handle it. A few recent experiences has soured me on some swapmiesters for sure.

    there must be a problem with the USPS out of Moses Lake......
     
  16. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    First, I agree. Second, I'm too new at tying to really put in a vote, but here is mine anyway. If you host then freaking host already. If you join then do your job. It is not that freaking tough. I join not to tie you dazzling flies, but hopefully they will make you chuckle or make your line get streteched, I join to tie.

    TLL, your ties are awesome and you tie faster than a chinese fly factory (not that such a pace is bad, but I can't hang with that). I tied three of my streamers tonight and need to tie five more. I think tomorrow I'll tie the rest at which time I may get into a better groove and tie a dozen or more and then send the best 8 and keep the worst 4 for myself.

    DFL your one fly I got in a swap is still one of my favorite dragonfly nymph patterns.

    You two are right on for getting on the soapbox and chastising those that are not willing to step up and do their job. I've got about 6 working days to get mine done for the streamer swap...I could opt out of pattern two, but I need the practice...so tomorrow I'll tie again.
     
  17. Norm Frechette

    Norm Frechette Googlemeister

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    i'd like to add that if your flies are mailed after the swap deadline you get your flies back without any of the swap flies. everybody else made the deadline for mailing in the flies, so shouldnt you
     
  18. Norm Frechette

    Norm Frechette Googlemeister

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    The most important thing I consider in being in a swap is have fun, be patient and communicate, ask for help when you need it.

    Here are some helpful things to consider when joining or hosting a swap.

    These are suggestions, that will help Swapmeisters and tiers to have a pleasureable swap and a good time.

    It is important that Swapmeisters and Tiers communicate with each other thru PM or on the BB. Swapmeisters it is a good idea to check your post at least once a day, to see if you have any more swappers that have signed up, or in case any of your swappers have questions.

    1- Swapmeister - When you post your swap, give a signup deadline, and a deadline for the flies to be in. Give instructions on what type of flies to tie. Give a total on the number of tiers for the swap. Give a total for the amount of flies needed for the swap. Give your instruction for mailing in flies. I usually post my addy after I have all tiers signed up. But if you are uncomfortable posting your addy you can also PM your addy to them. When the swap is full post on the BB it is full so other tiers won't be waisting there time trying to join the swap.

    2- Tiers- When you join a swap please adhere to the deadlines. Post what type of fly you will be tying. (I also like to post the recipe for the fly I will be tying.) Please use PM or BB with the Swapmeister for communications about the swap.

    3- Tiers - either post on the BB when you have mailed in your flies or PM the Swapmeister.

    4- Tiers - When mailing your flies, please send them in a strong enough and big enough box to protect them and to hold all of the flies you will be receiving back. Mark the box with your name and address and your on line nickname. Mail them at least 10 days before the end of the swap so they will get to the Swapmiester by the deadline date or earlier.

    5- Tiers - include in with your flies a self addressed envelope that is strong enough for the fly box you send and will receive back. Include postage (please do not use metered mail strips on return envelopes) or money (I do not recommend sending cash) in the proper amount to send the flies back to you. I also add Delivery Confirmaton to mine. I also put my online name on both envelopes. Plus the swap name.

    6- Tiers - if you want your flies sent back to you Priority Mail be sure to include enough postage to cover the increased cost over First Class Postage.

    7- Tiers - include with your flies a toetag (small piece of paper) with the name of the fly, your name or handle, and your email addy so the other tiers can email you for the fly tying instructions.

    8- Swapmeister - when you receive flies from the tiers, let them know on the BB or PM them that you have received them.

    9- Swapmeister - once you receive all flies from all tiers sort them, get them all packaged up and deleiver them to the post office in a timely manner. Notify all tiers either on the BB or by PM that you have mailed out the flies to them.

    10- Tiers - when you receive the swap flies back in the mail notify the Swapmeister on the BB or by PM that you have received them.

    11- Swapmeister - when the swap is over and all have received their flies, mark your post as Swap Completed.

    12- Above all else everyone have a lot of fun with the swap and be open to suggestions and comments, we can all learn from each other.

    This is just a suggestion, but not required. It is always nice to include a little extra for the Swapmeister for the work he or she does in conducting the swap.
     
  19. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Ha, how about mail yours after the deadline, swapmeister adds your to everyone's delayed boxes and you get an empty box back!:thumb:
     
  20. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Thanks for the input you all! I did wonder if I was the only grouch about this. One other thing that did "Pop My Bubble" was I entered a swap, the pictures were posted, but mine was NOT included!!! Ha! I actually laughed and said to the computer screen, "You flakey *%&%##& !! I figure the guy just slipped up....
     

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