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  1. Jason Copas

    Jason Copas Member

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    Trying to teach myself, and don't know anyone else that ties. I've been using YouTube for instruction and think I am getting better, or at least fishable. Looking for some constructive criticism.

    Royal Coachman size 14
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    Western Coachman Dry size 12
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    Wired Stonefly size 10 3xl curved nymph hook
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    I think that is the name, never seen it until the other day and didn't really have the right stuff. I improvised so it might now be a variation/different fly. Is this a useful fly in western Washington?

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  2. Teenage Entomologist

    Teenage Entomologist Gotta love the pteronarcys.

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    Your pretty good man! The nymph should work in most streams, and the dry fly should work during most hatches.
     
  3. Jason Copas

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    Thanks for the words of encouragement. I admit that I cherry picked better ties for pictures as well.

    The nymph looks horribly big to me, but I've never fished anything that size. So maybe I'm just fishing too small...
     
  4. Jim Ficklin

    Jim Ficklin Genuine Montana Fossil

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    Heck, I've been tying since 1956. Those look fantastic! You could critique me; 16 is as small as I manage anymore & I prefer 12's or 14's. Even those are tough for me to thread a tippet through. Lol, I actually prefer tying BIG flies . . . Clousers, Dahlberg Divers, Leeches, etc. Much easier with shaky hands & squinting eyes. You're well on your way; welcome to the addiction!
     
  5. Teenage Entomologist

    Teenage Entomologist Gotta love the pteronarcys.

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    I would fish a #18 at the smallest. Like Jim said, I normally fish 12-14's.
     
  6. Jason Copas

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    I actually stopped trying to learn on small flies. Went back and started trying bigger stuff to kind of learn to manipulate the material. That really seemed to speed up the learning curve. I'm just now starting to get back down to the size 12 and 14 area. Tying woolly bugger after woolly bugger after woolly bugger has made palmering hackle a TON easier.

    And I have a very well stocked streamer/bugger box as well.
     
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    Teenage Entomologist Gotta love the pteronarcys.

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    those look good
     
  9. Jim Ficklin

    Jim Ficklin Genuine Montana Fossil

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    Those are nicely done, also. I'm tying scuds at present; I rest my eyes between flies (and they need it!).
     
  10. Teenage Entomologist

    Teenage Entomologist Gotta love the pteronarcys.

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    Taking a break ISN'T a big mistake.
     
  11. Jason Copas

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    I didn't intend to sound like I felt that was good at palmer hackling. Simply that in the space of about 20 woolly buggers I went from wanting to take a large hammer to my tying vise, to being happy with the results on the second or third try.

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    These guys just don't want to hurt your feelings... Those things look like crap! You can dispose of them at my desk, just drop em off. Those look awesome man, I need to pick up some of the golden pheasant tippets and try them out. Now I am going to have to unpack my vise and tie some more before I leave.
     
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    These guys just don't want to hurt your feelings... Those things look like crap! You can dispose of them at my desk, just drop em off. Those look awesome man, I need to pick up some of the golden pheasant tippets and try them out. Now I am going to have to unpack my vise and tie some more before I leave.
     
  14. Jason Copas

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    Lol, you going to be at work in the morning? You looked like you were actually working today, or I would have shot the crap with you a bit.

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    I agree with yellowlab.... what pieces of junk! You should give it up. Why on earth did you even bother taking photos?

    :D

    Seriously, they look great to me and they are most certainly close enough to the original recipes to catch fish. If it was a tying competition, the wing is too tall for the Royal Coachman (the height is supposed to equal twice the distance of the hook gap) but for fishing purposes, I prefer the wing a little taller so it's perfect for me. ... and I've yet to see a trout using a pair of calipers to measure the wing height of an artificial fly.
     
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    That nymph isn't too big. He'll I'd fish that in a #6, it would make a killer golden stone nymph.
     
  17. Jason Copas

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    Pictures were from right after I finished, and I had that "Holy crap, that looks about right" moment.

    Thanks for the wing comment. I'll try 2x the hook gap next time. I was shooting for length of the hook, and that does seem a little long.

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  18. ScottP

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    Jason,

    For the Royal Coachman
    wing/tail look a bit long (I use shank length as a guide)
    wing's a bit forward
    hackle is a bit undersized (an inexpensive hackle gauge is worth having)

    Western Coachman
    wing looks a bit sparse (is it deer hair?)
    proportions look good

    Wired Stonefly looks good; nice wrapping of the body.

    Check out Charlie Craven's website http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/ for some great tutorials. YouTube's an excellent resource, but sometimes vids can go by too fast.

    Proportions (material amounts/position on the hook) and thread torque/tension; manage them and you can tie just about any trout fly well.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
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  19. Jason Copas

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    Thanks, and yes on YouTube. I have to pause/rewind a lot.

    The is not deer hair actually. It's white hen hackle. Basically, after cutting off the tips for wings, pinch the gap together and tie it on and then separate. I think that is referred to as "Catskill style".

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