Cutter inverted midge swap

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  1. riseform

    riseform Active Member

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    Ralph Cutter's challenge to come up with "the fly" representing an inverted emerging midge trapped beneath the surface film (see http://washingtonflyfishing.com/board/showthread.php?t=47654) got me thinking about hosting a swap.

    Are any of you designers interested in a swap to compare, contrast and field test our patterns? The ultimate goal would be to mix and match the characteristics (tying ease, visibility, hooking ability, fragility, etc) of each to help create the ideal fly. Feedback could be continually updated on this thread as our patterns evolve in regard to materials, tying, presentation, etc.
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    Flies mailed 6/28/08

    riseform (Nick)...........................Cutter inverted emerger
    obiwankanobi (Bob)....................dropped
    Mike........................................Woven body bean bag emerger
    Ron.........................................Cutter Chromie, Cutter Phrowley
    spritualized50 (Eric)....................Inverted emerger

    We'll be tying a total of 20 flies (including your own 4). Two flies of each size, size 14 and size 16. Due date June 21, 2008. Thanks to all who participated.
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  2. obiwankanobi

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    I will bite on this Riseform since when the challenge came up on the previous thread, I had a great solution for pattern that will demonstrate the characteristic "U" shape of the natural without compromising the "catching" ability of the fly by the invertion of the hook.

    Bob
     
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    Mike Wilson Yakbowbw

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    I am in... I will tie the red and green woven bean bag chironomid emerger that will be a sure fish catcher... unless obi has a better fly.
     
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    My tie will be an "invention" so feel free to use whatever known pattern you want to tie and try.
     
  5. riseform

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    Sadly, only 95 views in a one week trial balloon. Even though this is an atypical swap in terms of developing a fly rather than exchanging proven patterns, I had anticipated a bit more enthusiasm.

    I think this fly has great potential to fill a niche for selectively feeding trout. It could be the fly that turns a frustrating day into a productive one. Given the plethora of tying and fishing talent on this board, I have no doubt that a durable, visible and effective fly could be created. Does anyone else see an opportunity here? I'll give it another week before I stop cheerleading.
     
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    Sourdoughs -Marc Chapman, icthyoantagonist

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    I'd participate if I had the time, but work will have me swamped for the next two months and I haven't even prototyped anything yet. I really like the idea, though!
     
  7. Eric Tarcha

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    I'm in as well. I have no prototype, but i will start working on one!
     
  8. riseform

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    Ok, it looks like we have at least 5 participants so I think it's worth a go. If more people want to join, please feel free.

    Since this involves a new design, I'll put the due date out to summer solstice, June 21, 2008. That will give us time to tie, float, modify and perhaps fish our personal designs before swapping.

    Being a small swap, I'm suggesting 4 flies each?
    2 in size 18
    2 in size 20

    That should cover the usual sizes and provide a spare if you break one off on your first fish when field testing. Keep them in a special tin and you'll be able to refer back to the pictures to remember who belongs to what after a day of fishing. Let me know if it's too many flies or you'd prefer alternate sizes. If more people sign up we could cut down the number or just do one size.

    I recognize you may not fish midges until fall, winter or early next spring, but ultimately we're looking for feedback from each participant. When you finally find yourself tossing midges to a rising pod of selective fish, please report back on results, likes, dislikes, hooking ability, visibility, fly longevity, how you fished it (greased tippet, as a dropper, etc). Remember, our goal is to create the perfect fly, which may borrow characteristics from each of our patterns. Thanks to those who have signed up.
     
  9. Eric Tarcha

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    Sounds good to me.

    so that is 4 flies of the same pattern (in 2 sizes), for 20 total, correct?

    Eric
     
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    Correct, that'd be twenty total.

    I'm toying with several designs, so I'd open up that if someone can't decide between two design styles, you could submit one pair as 18's and the alternate design as a pair of 20's (same total number).

    If any of you are doing a small hook hanging from a suspended body, feel free to use any size hook you prefer for the design.
     
  11. Eric Tarcha

    Eric Tarcha gear whore

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    do we want to consider doing one set that is bigger (14-16), I have been seeing some big guys coming off lately.....
     
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    That's fine with me, I just chose sizes based upon what I usually fish, but I'm open. Give me two sizes you'd likely find yourself using and we'll come to a consensus. I'm going to bump the original Cutter thread one last time.
     
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    I made my decision based on my personal experience as well. Most of my midge fishing is Montana tailwaters and spring creeks off season and it's usually size 18 or smaller. I don't do a lot of lake fishing. Let's see what the other members want and we'll make an easy decision.

    My goal is to have sizes that we'll actually test and use rather than sit in a box somewhere because they're the wrong size. It's such a small group, we could even tailor them to individual member's needs.
     
  14. Eric Tarcha

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    i would say 14 and 16 would probably be right for most lakes around here. I was at rattlesnake last week, and the big bow i caught puked out some size 8's in my net so they can be quite big! But i am also kind of a newb at chronie fishing so this is just my observation from a small sampling of trips.

    Eric
     
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    Eric Tarcha gear whore

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    also, with tying the emerger, we have to consider possibly tying in something representing the schuck, which would add size to the fly...
     
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    Are you guys ok with tying different sizes for the various members based upon what they're likely to fish? It'd still be two flies of each size (20 total flies each)

    for Ron McNeal: size 14 and 16
    for spiritualized50 (Eric): size 14 and 16
    for riseform (Nick): size 18 and 20
    Obiwan: Pending
    Mike Wilson: Pending

    If that's too much of a pain in the rear end, we'll just go with 14 and 16 for everyone. Thanks again, I'm looking forward to seeing the designs.
     
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    Hi All,

    I'm a new-be so far as tying goes, so I wouldn't dare torture anyone w/ my "creations." lol
    I watched the video - amazing - and I've read through both threads. The stuff you all have been turning out has been a great education. I try to do the same sort of analysis and problem solving in my own training-wheels sort of way.

    I hope you all keep posting pics either in this thread, or in the non-swap original thread, for those of us who are interested in seeing the ways in which you all work your respective way through this process.

    Thanks!
     
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    Swap update.

    It seems I'm the only one who desired smaller sizes, so let's go to a uniform size for all participants to keep it less complicated.

    It'll still be two flies of each size (size 14 and 16)
    Due date is still June 21st. PM me for an address when you're ready.
    Thanks.
     
  19. Eric Tarcha

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    good deal. how are everyones prototypes coming along? I have a few that look good, but may need to be dressed to sit in the film correctly...
     
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    Mike Wilson Yakbowbw

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    I fished the pattern I took a picture of and posted in the Chironomid video post at Teal last weekend, it did very well. I caught 4 while I was using it, all were plants, but they hit it nicely and the fly sat in the water very well.
     
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